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[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 52 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Hopefully now a better future for Palestinians and Israelis is ahead.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 72 points 4 days ago (23 children)

I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 30 points 4 days ago

Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense.

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[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 29 points 4 days ago (25 children)

As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians.

The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them.

Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago

100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 31 points 4 days ago

How optimistic.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people.

You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources"

Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia.

If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

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[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"killed in surprise encounter" Makes it sound like he walked around a corner, saw them, and had a heart attack.

[–] praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think that's because the attack wasn't for him.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"WTF? These aren't civilians!"

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[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Final Fantasy random encounter sting played and bam!

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"We finally caught him, now once all those pesky civilians are starved, we can start to heal."

Beginning of the end? jfc

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

fuck netanyahu and fuck hamas

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

If Netanyahu says it is ending soon then that is something I can appreciate, perhaps the pressure of a US withdrawal of support coupled with pending war with Lebanon will force Netanyahu into a moderate position in order to keep power.

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