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[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"the Israelis are clearly planning something for Iran that is going to cause a retaliation they know their own systems are unable to take."

This has me very worried. What the heck are they planning that the US would send its troops to operate a THAAD? What are they going to do that would cause that severe of a response from Iranian forces?

"Nothing in current law authorizes the United States to conduct offensive military action against Iran."

Alas, that's technically wrong, because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_of_2001#Efforts_for_repeal

The 2001 AUMF has been widely perceived as a bill that grants the President powers to unilaterally wage perpetual "worldwide wars"

Vance is right about one thing - the 2001 AUMF has got to be repealed.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's funny (but sadly very true). I see it now, it just federated late to my instance.

BTW, why'd you downvote me? I'd have thought from that comment we're actually agreed, but your downvote confused me on your viewpoint..

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 197 points 1 week ago (28 children)

There is a lot about this that is nuts, but one thing that really jumps out at me.

It seems like Netanyahu is planning an October surprise to shank Harris. And it seems like he is doing it in broad daylight. It certainly seems like a massive offensive strike on Iran one or two weeks before the election is a straightforward way to throw a close election to Trump.

But with this I have to ask: are Biden and Harris assisting with a plan that is clearly intended to cost Harris the election?

I want to say that they surely must've told Israel not to launch anything before election day. But based in their actions so far, it doesn't seem like they're imposing a "no election interference against us personally" requirement as a condition of their assistance.

I guess we'll see.

[–] Fox@pawb.social 146 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Their messaging so far to Israel has been "do whatever the fuck you want, 💰💰"

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

"You give me money, I give you weapons of war. You give me money, I ignore the screams of children."

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

[the sound of children screaming has been removed]

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[–] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 67 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I would much rather see a Harris administration handle this than chaos Trump.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 68 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This is a weird thing to say, but I actually don't think that there's any indication that Harris or Trump would do anything substantially different with regard to Israel, but the biggest change is that if Trump wins, I suspect that coverage of this will disappear behind all the coverage of his domestic chaos. At least if Harris is president I think there is a chance we see the press maintain a modicrum of interest in covering this.

Either way, words can't describe my anger that Harris appears to be prepared to throw the election over her support for genocide. It is an unreal situation to watch.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Fuckface 45 literally said that Israel should "finish the job":

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240628-trump-let-israel-finish-the-job-in-gaza/

I'm not voting for that Fuckface. Neither should any intelligent person.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The insanity is not that it is Republicans or Democrats

The insane part is that America is just sleep walking straight into a war that will probably escalate into something much bigger and no one wants to do anything about it.

God help us all

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[–] pound_heap@lemm.ee 118 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Oh come on, the header is a clickbait. There is a US military base in Israel already, it's been there for years. The article is about an announcement that they are sending another missile defense battery with personnel alongside

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

There are 100 more US soldiers deployed, aren't there? I'm not a US citizen, but I still wonder why more troops are needed to help Israel in an war of aggression that violates international law.

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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I feel so bad for the people being deployed and their families. These people are being positioned to be triggers for a war against Iran. They believe it will be easier to manufacture consent for that war if the administration (whichever one we have) can point to dead Americans. Sick shit.

[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

They should point to the Americans killed by Israel

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 90 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate how I can't even comfort myself by knowing this idiocy will cost them the election because these fucks are the less horrible option.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yep, this is coming from the most 'leftist' candidates we are allowed to vote for. Pretty fucked up options we get to choose from. I hate it here.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (16 children)

US President Joe Biden has said he is "absolutely, positively" urging Israel to stop firing at UN peacekeepers during its conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon, following two incidents in 48 hours. Source

Some hours later: Biden absolutely, positively sends troops to help Israel out. WTF...

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To support UN peacekeepers, right?

... right?

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[–] LiamMayfair@lemmy.sdf.org 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Clickbait bullshit. The Department of Defense statement clarifies the US "troops" are just the crew required to operate the air defense battery equipment the US has been supplying to Israel for a while now.

This is not the first time the United States has deployed a THAAD battery to the region. The President directed the military to deploy a THAAD battery to the Middle East last year following the October 7th attacks to defend American troops and interests in the region.

Again, nothing new or different about this. The US is not putting boots on the ground to shoot people up. At least not yet.

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah we don't share our real defense tech with allies, even Israel. THAAD is legit platform we field and this would not let any IDF forces near.

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

No, you're very mistaken. Let me explain.

In the past, the US has stationed supporting troops off of Israel, in battleships far away. It's meant to provide support while keeping things calm.

The reason that putting any soldiers IN Israel is significant is that it means that if Iran tries to kill any Israeli soldiers, they can't do it without risking killing Americans. And if they kill an American, it is understood that we will retaliate and they will be at war with the United States of America.

That's the point of sending 100 troops to offer "tech support". It's to deliberately create conditions that could start a war. If you ask a general, they'll claim that it's just shrewd tactics, because letting Iran know all this means that good judgment will prevent them from attacking Israel. But every war in history is preceded by people making those claims (even when they don't believe them) before going to war.

This is foreplay. This is how you flirt when you're a NatSec pervert thinking of going to war against someone.

[–] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"Love the troops" as in, "Fuck, I love meat shields."

[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

A tale as old as time.

[–] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

We've had thousands of troops stationed in the tel-aviv base for decades... This isn't anything new. That's why it's a click bait headline

[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] grandkaiser@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

This ain't the war thunder forums, pal

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine dying not to protect US people or not even their interest.

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Biden is really trying to start a whole new war and make the Democrats lose this election.

[–] ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Honestly, I think Biden supports this unwaveringly because it aligns with US policy to keep the region destabilized.

I mean they helped overthrow the Shah, aided the Taliban in fighting the soviets, invaded Iraq and Kuwait (which led directly to the creation of jihadist state -- ISIS), aided a US-aligned faction in the Syrian civil war, helped put down the 2011 democratic revolutions... there is so much more.

And for what? To keep them from realizing they are all arabs and are sitting on the largest collective reserves of oil in the world...

Evil Empire.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 43 points 1 week ago (18 children)

So hold on, no troops in Ukraine, because they're not NATO, but troops in Israel no problem?

Or is it because US is scared shitless of Putin? Or is it because a lot of prople sympathise eith Putin?

Maybe there's no profit in aiding Ukraine?

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[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago
[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Biden is trying really hard to lose the election for the democrats.

What blackmail does Netanyahu have on the guy? This is such a bad move.

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[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Now why exactly are we doing that?

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