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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“China rules the green economy….Beijing’s dominance raises economic and security concerns.”

AND WHO’S FAULT IS THAT?!? You were too pig-headed to even reduce the US’ oil fetish and now you’re paying the price.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Truly. If you’re so worried about it turn every Raytheon factory into a solar panel factory and try to catch up

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why are capitalists always so fucking terrible at capitalism? Raytheon would benefit from shifting into green energy because there's no one else in the US doing it. They know global warming is coming (we have the Exxon memos to prove it). Being the first ones in a market that can not only grow, but has to in order for humanity to survive, may as well be free money.

It's like if someone offered you the entire state of Texas in 1750 for 5 cents an acre and you could see the future. You'd be a fool not to gobble up the oil fields and cattle pastures.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

if higher profits can be made in the short-term, attempts to divert capital to a longer term investment will lose out

Before humanity came to harness fire, they could only react to fire. If they encountered fire in nature, they might run from it, but they could not control it. Over time, humanity has learned what causes fire, how to create it, and how to utilize it for human purposes.

You can think of electricity as well. Humanity used to just see lightning and run, or get a static shock and not be sure what caused it, and ignore it. They could only react to it. But as we’ve developed a greater understanding of electricity, we can now control it, to utilize it for the benefit of human civilization.

Engels had pointed out that there is a similarity between natural phenomena and social phenomena in this regard. In the same way that when humanity had lacked an understanding of natural phenomena and could thus only react to them, humankind does not fully understand its own social structure.

Take, for example, the laws of supply and demand. Capitalist societies do not fully grasp all the causes to supply and demand, and they thus are incapable of actually predicting them. As a result, individual businesses can only react to market forces. They do not control the market but instead react to changes in the social system that are far beyond their personal comprehension or control.

Things like this cause human societies to be somewhat “anarchistic.” Even the central government in capitalist societies cannot fully understand or predict what is going on capitalist societies, it instead just reacts to changes in the economic system and tries to make general corrections, but it does not control the economic system. As Engels once put it, "What each individual wills is obstructed by everyone else, and what emerges is something that no one willed."

The “anarchy of production,” in some sense, takes on a mind of its own. If you build a capitalist society, you cannot fully predict the outcome. It may sometimes grow, may sometimes crash, may lead to rapid industrialization, and may even lead to rapid de-industrialization. You just have to hope it turns out well.

A socialist system attempts to overcome this anarchy of production by making human economies deliberate.

from Is Juche a form of Marxism-Leninism?

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Capitalists do not know the word "long term investment" as those ghouls only think quarterly and infinite growth for every single thing.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Survival just isn’t profitable enough in the short term. “Long term” isn’t a thing in the US.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Capitalists are exactly as good at capitalism as they can possibly be. It takes a socialist analysis to understand the inherent flaws of capitalists operating under a capitalist system in order to actually improve further. China is better at capitalism than the capitalists because it tends to throttle the system before it reaches the point that it begins inflicting irreversible damage upon efficiency (and thus development) just because it was operating unhindered.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Love this idea

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

I believe the US lost the solar panel battle way back when already. 2012ish?

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The USA is going Green!

anakin-padme-2 like working on renewable energy stuff?

anakin-padme-3 Green with Envy

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

This is very funny will be using in the future

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Oh nooooo Mr China, pleeeeease don’t throw me into that ~~briar patch~~ affordable electric car

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The rational thing would be to cooperate on green tech and green distribution

[–] asg101@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Rationalism has never been a big seller in ameikkka, it is what you would expect from "witch" burners that were run out of Europe.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

how is it a problem for Biden? Biden's fuckin' gone man. it's a problem for amerikkkans whose brain isn't cooked though

[–] principalkohoutek@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Published in May; how times have changed

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

skill issue

[–] LGOrcStreetSamurai@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

America journalist (and America as a whole to be honest) wants Sinophobia to be cool again so bad. In the same way American media are overtly okay with Russophobia (which is of course not okay cause -phobia isn't cool), I think the media wants to be a Sinophobia to okay too.

It's fucked up to think we think ourselves so great that anytime anyone else does anything they are either cheating or doing some sort of evil [insert some vile trope about some other group here].

[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Damn sucks for Biden then

[–] DanComrd@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

sicko-tear

"bUt At WhAt CoSt"

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hmmm maybe more subsidies for coal will help the US gain an advantage in the solar manufacturing industry

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Once the mountain tops are removed we will have more flat ground for solar panels!