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[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a troll. Liberals haven't saved us, I'm not sure why you would think a Liberal is going to. I'm voting Biden because a U.S. under Trump is worse, but if you think stifling any conversation about what happens next with "the libs will save us" is contributing anything then you're just as fucking dumb as the pugs that frequent hexbear.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you consider Biden to be a liberal?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The libs could save us, if we could ever get enough in power.

Of course the libs haven't saved us, they haven't had the numbers. It's been neck and neck with the fascists for 20 years.

Imagine what we could do if the Dems had a 20 year supermajority. Universal healthcare, UBI, free college, wealth tax, these are all things that standard-issue Dems would love to do if it were feasible. The reason centrist Dems take baby steps isn't because that's all they want, it's because that's all they can do. Give em the power and they'll do more.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As I've said, I will be voting Biden. I'm inclined to believe things will not change.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Give Dems the power, and we'll prove you wrong. You'll love it.

Don't forget to vote downballot! And in non Presidential elections!

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We did. They had a comfortable majority in congress and a Democratic president for years. Best we got out of it was the ACA which was more of a corporate love letter than anything else. Not to mention, would've been the perfect time to throw a few bankers in jail but no. Couldn't be bothered to do that.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We have very different definitions of "comfortable majority". Dems had a filibuster-proof majority for only a few months. And yes, they passed the ACA, which has saved thousands of lives and is the biggest step towards universal health care we've seen in generations.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The fact that your own comment doesn't demonstrate to you this country is a failure bewilders me.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

China and Russia combined aren't fit to lick my American boots.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The libs could save us, if we could ever get enough in power.

We were.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For a few months, and in that time they passed legislation that saved thousands of lives and brought us closer to universal health care.

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's pathetic. So pathetic I suspect they never intended to wield so much power because they have no real interest in working for the American people.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Saving thousands of lives is pathetic?

[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's pathetic that it takes 60+ democrat senators to save thousands of lives yes.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

That's totally fair.