angrystego

Yes, I agree, just wanted it to be known it's jot a men only thing.

I know very well what you're talking about and I feel pretty competent to say that not everyone reacts with anxiety or even traumato a reckles child. Not everyone's feelings are on the same level in the same situation.

Yeah, sure, I didn't want to say there are no other facetes, just that sex is one of the important ones. I wasn't really askin :) The death and birth are kinda key, right?

I do have many movies specifically, from the top of my head: the Poor Things, Brokeback Mountain, Breaking the Waves, the 5th Element (where it's just for fun and it's ok), the English Patient.

Becoming a parent is not necessarily about trauma and anxiety - not everyone reacts this way, some people genuinely enjoy becoming parents, including women. What I think is kind of almost universal though, is the new responsibility. That can force you to mature too.

I fully agree on the losing loved ones part.

Also women can be juvenile as well. I know many who have kept their inner child intact.

Yeah, thank you, I think I get you now. I've seen many "gotcha arguments" like you describe and I agree that responding to them is draining. And I can see how what I say can be seen as similar. My way of thinking about these things can be upsetting for both meat eating people and vegans/vegetarians, I'm afraid, but I'm just trying to do my best with what I know. In general, I sympathize with vegans and I think it's a great thing that veganism is getting a bit more mainstream nowadays.

You're asking me what I am and how I handle my sympathy with all that is alive. The truth is, I'm a biologist (botanist). I view killing life for your own survival (and even cruelty) as something natural and understandable, I don't find it a moral thing to do if it can be avoided though. I eat meat, although not often and I don't usually buy it for myself. (When I do eat meat, I feel evil and I own it. I try not to avoid the responsibility and I accept that a fully sentient animal was killed for me to eat.)

I think even unicellular organisms are well equipped for experiencing the world around them including sensations of being harmed - it's crutial to have something like this to survive.

My specialization is plants and I'm seeing a breakthrough of plant senses research now (which used to be kind of taboo in the past). There are so many things we didn't know or didn't want to know being finally objectively researched! Plants are alive too and their aliveness, striving to survive and to not be eaten is evident, even though we don't have enough data to say whether they can have some kind of consciousness by our standards. They do have ways to tell when they're harmed and they react.

My point is, I think many organisms were and still are rather underestimated when it comes to their ability to sense the world around them and to integrate the collected information, which are the basics for what we call feeling something and having some kind of intelligence and consciousness.

So the answer, I guess, is I do what I can and don't do what I can't. And I feel a lot of sympathy with all kinds of life forms, despite eating some of them regularly :)

I hope I've explained myself in some decypherable way, I sometimes find it hard.

If only he kept failing - see brexit.

This makes no sense to me. What else would be worthy of being called grandiosely a facet of human experience if not sex? Sex has it's olace among the importan experiences of human life - it's how human life starts. It's an important driving force, it influences people's life, decisions, relationships, even lack of sex and the resulting frustration influences human behaviour. Asexuality is actually very interesting for the same reason - it's a lack of something that most people experience. I wpuldn't mind more films woth openly asexual characters. Falling in love is depicted very often even though there are aromantic people who don't experience it.

You use strong words for my taste, although I would agree that Americans are much more prudent than Europeans. But the graph we're discussing here shows a decline in sex depiction in the movies. It shows there are less sex scenes than there used to be. The decline cannot be explained by the differences between the USA and Europe.

I think many people feel uneasy because they were taught sex (and nudity!) is something naughty, shameful. It's easy to feel that way when you grow up in certain culture and it's a hard thing to break free of even when you're adult and know better.

Sexual frustration is a massive part of peoples lives too. Only asexual people escape the influence of sex.