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I just read this point in a comment and wanted to bring it to the spotlight.

Meta has practically unlimited resources. They will make access to the fediverse fast with their top tier servers.

As per my understanding this will make small instances less desirable to the common user. And the effects will be:

  1. Meta can and will unethically defedrate from instances which are a theat to them. Which the majority of the population won't care about, again making the small instances obsolete.
  2. When majority of the content is on the Meta servers they can and will provide fast access to it and unethically slow down access to the content from outside instances. This will be noticeable but cannot be proved, and in the end the common users just won't care. They will use Threads because its faster.

This is just what i could think of, there are many more ways to be evil. Meta has the best engineers in the world who will figure out more discrete and impactful ways to harm the small instances.

Privacy: I know they can scrape data from the fediverse right now. That's not a problem. The problem comes when they launch their own Android / iOS app and collect data about my search and what kind of Camel milk I like.

My thoughts: I think building our own userbase is better than federating with an evil corp. with unlimited resources and talent which they will use to destroy the federation just to get a few users.

I hope this post reaches the instance admins. The Cons outweigh the Pros in this case.

We couldn't get the people to use Signal. This is our chance to make a change.

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[–] JshKlsn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

One thing I don't understand is why would meta even federate with anyone outside of their own instances anyway?

Makes no sense to ever open up to allow any other instances in. Not like they are crying for users.

The fediverse just makes sense in their own bubble. Turn Facebook, Instagram, and their other apps into the fediverse and federate them all together.

I don't expect them to ever open up to the actual fediverse. Same with BlueSky. I feel like all of these companies will USE the fediverse but in a closed bubble.

[–] root@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

On one hand, I think it could be possible that Meta is planning to federate with the fediverse with the ultimate goal of destroying it and replacing it with their own instances. Similar to what Google did with XMPP according to this article. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

On the other hand, I also think it could be possible Meta is wanting to federate with the fediverse just so it can increase it's data collection many times quicker. Why manage servers when you can connect to other servers and suck up data as and when Threads users interact with other lemmy instances.

No idea which is more likely.

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[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like all of these companies will USE the fediverse but in a closed bubble.

Just like they did with the Internet.

[–] LightProtector@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well? Apparently, they plan on making it happen. https://help.instagram.com/169559812696339

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[–] LordEdubbz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Everyone is really scrambling now as if they really thought up to now that the Fediverse was immune to corpo bullshit

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think this will matter at all. The first instance that brands itself as "we only federate with instances that exclude all relationships with Meta," is the instance I will be in and all the people who I want to hang around will be there also. Federating with Meta will be like holding a flashing neon sign that says "stay away from me."

I don't want anything to do with Reddit anymore and I haven't had anything to do with Twitter or Facebook for more than 10 years - and all for similar reasons. Huge groups of people brought together by money are fucking poison.

[–] beefbaby182@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@peppy

We have to stick to our guns and keep supporting the small instances.

Admins needs to strike first and defederate from Meta before they do.

#fediverse #mastodon #lemmy

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[–] count0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess this will already have been said, but nonetheless:

I like the feeling of community as it is right now in the Fediverse very much.

Most of me hopes that it will not successfully federate with Meta, ever; or if it "must", in a way that will be mostly irrelevant to me (communities I wouldn't subscribe to in the first place, anyway).

I don't see how that, in turn, would give Meta any control over the parts of the Fediverse that I care about. If they want to join and contribute in good faith, fine. If not, also fine. Why should it change anything for Fediverse "centered" communities?

I never cared about size or majority, but about quality of content and discourse. And I find that in those points, the current Fediverse much outshines anything else I've seen (Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, ...) in the last decade or so.

[–] alertsleeper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was my first thought too, until I found this:

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Blog post explainer

Wikipedia page

[–] count0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

From my (admittedly, deliberately naive and provocative) perspective, what is the (possible) "added value" of Threads' ad-infested feed over the community experience straight on Lemmy?

[–] Flemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I share your priorities, but I don't think you understand the depth and breath of how they can ruin this for us... The only guarantee is that, at some point (maybe tomorrow, maybe in 5 years), they'll ask "how can we extract value from this investment?". That's what a corporation is, it can't help it anymore than fire can choose how hot to burn

But even before then, we have misaligned goals. At best, their priority is to generate an endless stream of advertiser friendly content, extract information about users, and grow endlessly. At worst, they want to use us to help kill Twitter while ensuring federation of individuals does not become a viable model for social media

[–] count0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How would they ensure this latter thing?

In my current understanding, it's readily possible today (on Lemmy and related software), what could Meta do to keep this from continuing to work?

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[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Honestly, I still have more hope for Signal compared to Lemmy/fediverse. As much as I like it here, Signal is just so much more user-friendly and explainable. I am also slowly making people around me set it up.

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but Signal is more of just a replacement for WhatsApp and the likes. It can't be compared to this type of platform really.

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[–] ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Luckily, they can't force federated access to be slow. Once you federate with them, their content is copied to your instance. It's not necessary for every fediverse user to contact Threads, it'll just be served from each user's home instance

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