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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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definitely time we started charging this person rent (www.lesswrong.com)

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If I were to transition today and didn't pass as well as Jessica, and everyone felt obligated to call me a woman, they would be wireheading me: making me think my transition was successful, even though it wasn't.

This is the same fuckin' diseased mentality that gets cis women harassed in changing rooms for having jawlines that are slightly too heavy.

The math is also weird and unclear in that way which feels like a person reaching for grandiose Theories Of It All without any experience solving more mundane problems first.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Yeah some trans women really don’t pass, some cis women don’t either. Nobody benefits from increased scrutiny on people’s gender except people selling fear of trans people or selling the tools to conform to gendered expectations.

But also if you’re unhappy with your meat sack change it because there’s no evidence you get another.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

🎶 I see the girls go by dressed in their summer clothes / Priors all updating until my darkness goes 🎶

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[–] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

I don't know what man-made horrors beyond my comprehension I just stubled upon, but this person really really really needs psychological help and possible to be forced out of their self-hatred jesus christ

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Going through random pages of Zack's blog, which I don't recommend unless you really like to look at self-harm, which you shouldn't, ... sometimes you find passages that make you remember the important things and you feel a little less bad about all the mess.

(The really hard part is overcoming the improbability of finding a wife who I could love and who could love me, and who is enthusiastic about starting a family qua eugenics project rather than merely qua family. Any single (cis) women reading this who like my writing: please, don't hesitate to write me!)

Also this one's really just kind of cute.

I continue to maintain that fandom conventions are boring. I enjoy consuming fiction. I even enjoy discussing fiction with friends—the work facilitating a connection with someone else present, rather than just between me and the distant author, or me and the universe of stories. But for the most part, these big, bustling conventions just don't seem to facilitate that kind of intimacy. [...]

But that's okay. Ultimately, I did not come to Fan Expo San Francisco 2022 for the intimacy of analyzing fiction with friends who know me.

I came because of the loophole. As reactionary as it might seem in the current year, I am spiritually a child of the 20th century, and I do not crossdress in public. That would be weird. (Not harmlessly weird as an adjective of unserious self-deprecation, but weird in the proper sense, out-of-distribution weird.)

But to cosplay as a fictional character who happens to be female? That's fine! Lots of people are dressed up as fictional characters at the convention, including characters who belong to categories that the cosplayer themself does not. That guy dressed up as a vampire isn't actually a vampire, either.

[–] bcdavid@hachyderm.io 2 points 9 months ago

@Amoeba_Girl @dgerard Sometimes I think there's a goldmine of comedy to be had laughing at these eugenics types having kids and slowly realizing they aren't rich like Musk and Grimes and have to care for these humans. Then I remember that isn't funny at all, it's extremely upsetting.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

well, cute for someone who would transition to a trans neoreactionary

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago

I admit my standards might have been lowered due to consuming too much of the brain sludge.

[–] shinigami3@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago

jesus christ

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago

God it feels so fucking good not knowing who any of these idiots are, time to ruin that feeling forever

[–] pja@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

^F David Gerard

Imagine one day David Gerard of /r/SneerClub said, "Eliezer Yudkowsky is a white supremacist!" And you replied: "No, I'm not! That's a lie." And imagine E.T. Jaynes was still alive...

I‘m impressed at the way you still manage to live rent free in these chud’s heads. The bogeyman is real if you’re a rationalist apparently & his name is D.Gerard.

[–] self@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago

/r/SneerClub

these people are so terrified of Satan Church that they haven’t read the change of address we stabbed into the front door with a ceremonial dagger like 5 months ago

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Imagine one day Dan Gackle of Hacker News fame banned the Linus Tech Tips guy for sockpuppeting but actually you were the sockpuppet. Also suppose Terry A. Davis were still alive so you went to ask him how to sockpuppet like a veteran, but instead you run into Timnit Gebru, who is also a terrorist. She calls you pronouns and slurs like TESCREAL and your pants drop to your ankles and everyone is laughing at you and also Terry calls you the N word because you don't know how to write a compiler. Then you turn around and see Scott Siskind and Joanne Rowling and they're also laughing at you and you start to cry.

Anyway you'd be really upset.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Suppose there are five true heresies, but anyone who's on the record as believing more than one gets burned as a witch.

Two heresies leave Chicago traveling at 90 km/h and 100 km/h

Jessica asked if Yudkowsky denouncing neoreaction and the alt-right would still seem harmful, if he were to also to acknowledge, e.g., racial IQ differences?

I agreed that that would be better, but realistically, I didn't see why Yudkowsky should want to poke that hornet's nest.

uhhhhhhhhh

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago

a perfectly spherical heresy in a vacuum at absolute zero, and also it's racist

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago

LWers will literally

Instead of going to therapy

[–] saucerwizard@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is not healthy.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago

ya dont fucken say

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

104 minutes! Not today satan.

A ctrl+f on 'sneer' shows me a lot of talking about sneerclub, but guess he didn't actually check reddit and notice that it is no longer there.

And of course the guy is some weird anti pronouns person. ('But somebody might look how you not expect them to look!')

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

not going to waste my time on a random terf, but i'm happy to see said terf to waste ten times more to write and meticulously cross-reference all that crap.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Not so much a random terf as someone who appears to have been trying to use lesswrong struggle sessions in place of trans conversion therapy for a while now.

Or at least that's my diagonal impression, and I'm also not going over that entire maelstrom just to make sure if they are a rotten egg or not.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Zack seems to want to transition, has detailed logic as to why not to, and is determined to make it everyone else's problem

[–] pja@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Demanding that EY et al define “woman” for them so that they can know whether or not they can transition is simultaneously hilarious and deeply sad.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago

That kind of stuff does make me feel sad, like all the trans people who start out hating on trans people on 4chan. (Don't get me wrong they still suck and they should stop, but I can feel multiple emotions and also feel a bit sad about them)

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah i didn’t read much, but at one point in my life i was attempting to do something like that and I see all the telltale signs. The difference is that as a teenager I grew up and developed the emotional maturity to understand that no amount of wanting to not be trans would make me cis, just trans and miserable.

Also I grew up and learned how absolutely bonkers rationalism is as a philosophy.

They seem so deep in that the idea of “what would make me happy” has left the equation long ago

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The hilarious part to me is that they imagine Eliezer moderates himself or self-censors particularly in response to sneerclub. Like of all the possible reasons why Eliezer may not want to endorse transphobic rhetoric about pronouns (concern about general PR besides sneerclub, a more complex nuanced understanding of language, or even genuine compassion for trans people), sneerclubs disapproval is the one that sticks out to the author. I guess good job on us? Keep it up!

[–] pja@awful.systems 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m amazed that the random shitposting of a bunch of nerds who band together purely to dunk on terrible rationalist takes weighs so heavily on their minds. Aren’t they supposed to be above that kind of thing?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago

They are not really talking about us, they are talking about an imagined group of badguys, for all their talks about intellectual turing tests they fail the most basic ones at their own detractors. This does however worry my paranoid mind, as this does mean that the more deranged parts of Rationalism might try and take action against people from sneerclub. I have no desire to be doxed and then have weird LW/EA kids from local universities visit my home. (or make working in tech harder for me).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago

When I first started reading Sneerclub I was amazed at how different Sneerclub was vs how the Rationalists described it. Also amazing how much better your mh gets after you stop reading SSC subreddit (this was before they created themotte).

[–] earthquake@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

Every sneer is one transphobic act suppressed in fear.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Three major thoughts here: 1) this is the epitome of toxic individualism, 2) holy hell this person really needs to leave rationalism for their own health and happiness, 3) I love the idea that anyone can insist on quoting Ray “doesn’t believe in bisexuality” Blanchard while calling themselves a person focused on truth

This person is clearly struggling with who they are and has decided they don’t get to be themselves and is working back from there

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

And I just want to clarify my beef with Blanchard. It’s not just that he’s wrong about me and people I care about in ways that are hurtful, prejudiced, and used to cause harm. It’s also the fact that he’s held up by a certain type of person because they can’t be bothered to understand us or science. Sometimes in science one lone person speaks truth to a field that irrationally digs in their heels and refuses to see reason. I understand that. But sometimes some jackass looks identical to that and just happens to be wrong and using terrible methodology and because people outside the field don’t understand shit they latch on because the field is saying things that go against their preconceived notions and that person sounds kinda right.

Ray Blanchard is the Andrew Wakefield of sexology and a certain type of people insist he’s Galileo in that story that’s usually oversimplified because it makes for a better story than telling it truthfully.

[–] cwood@awful.systems 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is this stuff deliberately written to be word salad?

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