I wonder how long it will take the Republicans to understand that they are so totally broken as a party that the only way out of this mess is actually put government over party and vote for a Democratic speaker. Luckily, this only takes a handful of Republicans coming to their senses.
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Honestly I think this is what they want. Is the end game to starve the beast, regulatory capture, and every other "let's break the government to show the government doesn't work".
If people think any politician involved directly in this debacle right now is really concerned about how they look, they aren't. Their voters have already swallowed the pill, lined up and pledged undying allegiance.
I think a Democrat speaker would be a horrible idea for democrats. It sounds cool, but it would be bad politically most likely. They could put things up for a vote that they want, but it doesn't give them majority so they can't actually pass anything. It just gives Republicans something to blame (in a very stupid way, but a way that'd work for the politically ill-informed) instead of them getting the blame for all of it.
The only "good" option I think is a republican that is picked by the democrats and concessions saying they'll bring anything to a vote with a certain amount of bipartisan support. Maybe also concessions to vote a certain way for upcoming things, like the budget.
Well, we now know that didn't happen, either.
Yeah, sadly. They managed to select a Christo-fascist. Good stuff...
At this point I think it's more likely for centrists dems to bail out the GOP for zero concessions than any republican to come to their senses.
GOP is a cult, you can't just up and leave a cult.
Will the GOP have to expel the renegade caucus to function as a party? Tune in next week to find out, as the Dems take center stage in our new format: Plurality Rules!
Do they actually have a mechanism for that? And given how much influence that group has on their party and their size in it's electorate, who would be expelling who?
There is a mechanism to expel any member of Congress, just needs a 2/3rd vote. So it would need cooperation from Democrats.
Plus the whole issue here is that there isn't a group of 217 who could govern, unless you include Democrats. Vote out the 8 Republicans who voted out McCarthy and suddenly Democrats have the majority.
There is a mechanism to expel any member of Congress, just needs a 2/3rd vote. So it would need cooperation from Democrats.
I don't think the Democrats would mind giving a helping hand in such a case.
Short answer is, “yes”, they can expell them from their party. Party leadership isn’t exactly democratic. (Or not necessarily democratic. They could operate by council appointment instead.)
Longer answer is it’s irrelevant- you need a majority of the house to elect a speaker. Expelling them from the party does nothing to change that they too have a vote.
They’d have to have a vote on the floor to impeach and expell the from congress and incidentally, they have to have a speaker to do that
Couldn't they lost their majority if they starts expelling them?
Yes, which is why it won't happen
Is it Britain that has the vote of no confidence thingy? Let's do that.
What they need is a so-called "constructive vote of no confidence" like in Germany: You cannot just vote one person out, you have to vote a replacement in to remove the old one.
Das a good idea
It's a feature of a lot of parliamentary systems in general. It's honestly nice to have the shake up when things are at a standstill in parliament, even if the sometimes constant elections are annoying at times. It also helps to have more than just two viable political parties, also.
I would love to see a Dem somehow step forward, and for just enough republicans vote to get them in as speaker.
oh my fucking god please please please please PLEASE stay absolutely fucked to death forever.
This just in! Republicans don't know what to do and can't agree on anything without a figurehead dictating everything. More at 11.
Dems gotta jam a MAGA hat onto Hakim Jeffries and get this shit done!
I like the cut of your jib, but I think I'd much rather see some of the few moderate Republicans in Biden districts eat some crow and vote for Hakim without their beloved political theatre.