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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 146 points 5 days ago (3 children)

What does Jerry Seinfeld know about being funny anyway? Wasn’t that Larry David’s job?

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've never understood why he's been placed on such a pedestal. Professionally, he wasn't even among the funniest of his contemporaries. Personally, he's also always been a piece of shit, and I'm not just talking about him being generally rude to others.

[–] PoopingCough@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I mean Seinfeld was fucking huge. It's hard to overstate how big a hit it was in its time. And he was co-creator, the lead role, and obv his name is the name of the show. How could you not see people putting him up as one of the greats?

I'm not personally the biggest fan of his particular style of comedy, and you can certainly find issue with his personality and behavior over the years, but the man knows how joke structure works. He's an expert in his craft. And you may not think he's as good as some of his contemporaries, but there's no denying he's more of a household name than most if not all of them.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Seinfeld, the show, was remarkable and set a number of expectations that shows today must hit to be even partially successful. It was remarkable. So many modern tropes and memes are directly traced back to Seinfeld.

Jerry Seinfeld, the comedian, was not exceptional in the grand scheme. He is a decent comedian, but without the show, he wouldn't be referred to nearly as much as he is.

There's a difference between the two, and I think a lot of the disagreements are with people equating these two as if they're the same.

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[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 138 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Hey, good for him. I believe firmly in reformation, or reflection and changing your views and it sounds to me like he thought about it and came around, so good.

[–] jayk@lemmy.ca 53 points 5 days ago (4 children)

this is the second time he's changed his mind on this particular issue. After a certain point I wonder why we're still listening to him

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 50 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think he was trying to get a buzz for his stand-up by going anti-woke. Then those people didn't show up for him because they are still laughing at Rob Schneider.

After Jerry realized his mistake, he figured he would say he grew and learned to help any damage control. I don't think people really care enough about him for this, but he is rich enough to have people tell him.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What mistake would he need to be concerned about? Jerry has more money than he can spend. I seriously doubt his income is a motivating factor here but I could be wrong.

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 6 points 5 days ago

I refuse to believe anyone is laughing at Rob Schneider.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 25 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Wait, you wonder why we're still listening to Jerry Seinfeld about comedy?

Like, I don't agree with the guy and I don't think everything he does is funny, but... I mean, I'm a contrarian nerd on the Internet and even I would think about that one twice.

For what it's worth, you can change your mind on things as often as you want. Hell, I'll take older rich guys walking back their slow drift rightwards as many times as is necessary.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I don't trust it, they turn left and make a walking motion only to start moon walking. Lip service doesn't mean shit until I see actual actions.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, it's a complicated topic. Some people see humour as a form of therapy or control over dark topics while others see it as a channel to project them. And both are true. Unfortunately many people lack the spark to discern the two and subsequently fall back on the behaviour they are familiar with; picking a side and setting up camp in it.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Very true but it can be very easy also to find yourself joking about pain that isn’t yours to joke about. Humility is often crucial in dark jokes

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[–] Hegar@fedia.io 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

sounds to me like he thought about it and came around

That's not what it sounds like to me. I think a slightly different kind of absolute nonsense just started coming out of his face:

“I said that the ‘extreme left’ has suppressed the art of comedy... It’s not true. If you’re a champion skier, you can put the gates anywhere you want on the mountain and you’re going to make the gate. That’s comedy. Whatever the culture is, we make the gate. You don’t make the gate, you’re out of the game. The game is where is the gate and how do I make the gate to get down the hill.”

Even you generously interpret that as coherent thought, he's still saying that the left changed comedy and you can't make same jokes anymore. No awareness that risky and 'offensive' comedy is fine and everywhere, no awareness that there's a difference between offensive comedy and racism on a stage, no awareness of the social context of his comments amidst the rise of fascism.

He just repeated his comments, but less coherently and with the strongly negative words taken out.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 27 points 5 days ago (4 children)

“Does culture change and are their things that I use to say that [I can’t because] people are always moving [the gate]? Yes, but that’s the biggest and easiest target,” Seinfeld added. “You can’t say certain words about groups. So what? The accuracy of your observation has to be 100 times finer than that just to be a comedian…So I don’t think, as I said, the ‘extreme left’ has done anything to inhibit the art of comedy.”

I don't know, seems pretty cogent to me and it seems pretty far from doubling down.

Why are you guys making me defend Jerry Seinfeld? Seriously, sometimes leftie spaces just can't take a win.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

He's a right-wing bigot. His stances have not changed. He's still a piece of shit, despite his "regrets".

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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 95 points 5 days ago

"Look, I was just upset that day because my girlfriend's parents grounded her"

[–] lido@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Jerry Seinfeld has never been politically relevant and hasn't suffered in the least because of his Seinfeld residuals.

Bill Hicks (RIP) has never been more relevant.

[–] 2deck@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] xangadix@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

The preacher

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 6 points 4 days ago

We miss you Bill.

[–] Jomega@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I never understood why he would say that to begin with. It's not like his brand of comedy was ever particularly edgy. Obviously the "people are too sensitive these days" thing is stupid, but it felt extra strange coming from him.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 4 days ago

Maybe he got accosted by a Gen Z flight attendant about one of his biting air travel observations.

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[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

Suck ass loser. Get fucked Seinfeld

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Jerry Seinfeld can, as we left leaning partygoers love to say, "get fucked and blow it out his ass".

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Jerry seinfeld is one of the least funniest people who ever called themselves a comic.

[–] Sarmyth@lemmy.world 52 points 5 days ago (9 children)

His show was a cultural phenomenon. You've never heard of the least funny comedian. Let's stop the weird Lemmy contrarianism. It makes us look more insanely out of touch than Jerry Seinfeld. (Which is so well known his name is in my auto-correct).

[–] blackbirdbiryani@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

I absolutely loved Seinfeld (the show) and recently saw his stand up in person and it was absolutely terrible, it was actually pretty shocking. He's just so incredibly unrelatable now.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 days ago

Seinfeld turn to shit the moment Larry David left. Curb made it clear that he carried that show.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He was never funny. Larry David, the guy who wrote the show, was the funny one.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

FYI, it was written by both Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld

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[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that's contrarianism. I've heard criticism for Jerry Seinfeld's comedy since at least 2004, calling out observation comics as a whole was trending at the time of his show even. Larry David made that show great, and some of the cast played their roles really well, Jerry Seinfeld wasn't one of them for me and seemingly a lot of people.

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[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago

I don't think the contrarianism is Lemmy specific. Whenever someone becomes problematic for whatever, there'll always be people taking to twitter or whatever to say "well they were never really that good anyway". And it is almost always just a cope, except in the specific case of Rob Schneider.

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[–] nemonic187@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com 32 points 5 days ago

Your not a highschool girl, I think your fine.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I agree that comedy is an area that rarely ages well. If you look at the old post 9/11 HBO comedy spots on MAX they are atrociously racist against middle eastern people to the point where I don’t think they should be available or at least should be labeled history and not comedy.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but Jerry got mad that he wasn't allowed to tell racist, transphobic, and highly political jokes like a year ago. And he got drawn into the MAGA crowd like a tractor beam, being sponsored by out of touch old fogeys and anti-woke propagandists.

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 days ago

Probably had a few MAGA fans show up and said .. Nope!

[–] Fixbeat@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Extreme left. Who is this extreme left he’s talking about? People who don’t like being insulted?

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[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not looking for approval from a zio

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Good on him.

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