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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Because Trump who literally said Muslims should wear a "Special ID at all times" back in 2015 is obviously gonna be much better....

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Read the article. Maybe half or more are voting third party, they hate trump and kamala.

The other, from one of the interviews, the last four years of Democrat led politics has literally been the worst in their lives for both themselves living in america, and for their friends and families who live in the middle east.

Assuming a democrat leader is best for everyone is part of the problem. There are groups of people who suffer under Democrat leadership, and ignoring them is just frustrating them.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Cant blame them, Biden\Harris are literally sending Israel the bombs.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 5 days ago

Yeah but if you don't vote Kamala, Trump will hurt Palestinians even harder and it will be your fault 🤡

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (43 children)

Okay, but, abandon her for whom exactly? Just not vote? Vote 3rd party? I am not going to say Harris is perfect, but this is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 days ago (23 children)

Third Party, tyically, that's what most anti-genocide groups are advocating for.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

Many of the candidates from alternative parties are anti-genocide.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Who could have possibly seen this coming for a full year

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 12 points 6 days ago

Honestly it's baffling. They wouldn't have even had to actually do anything. They could have just let a Palestinian-American come up and say generic "we have to do better for the people of Gaza and the people of the world" type of shit and they would have even said that they endorsed Kamala. That's it, and a shitload of people would have been at least able to lie to themselves and say "ok, she'll do something different." But they couldn't even be asked to go through the motions this time.

It's such fucking smooth brained reactionary shit, you don't get to act like Republicans because Republicans will never vote for you, the ones that will are only ever going to do it to not vote for the current fascist, and their policy led to him.

I guess maybe the taste of David Frum's approval is sweeter than winning an election.

[–] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Great so now we can have a more certain Trump presidency. Why limit yourself to just one genocide when you can have this guy in power here too:

“How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now,”

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[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (18 children)

Context:

  • I am not an american, so there may be some missing knowledge for me about the american electoral system.
  • I abhor Israel's genocide in Gaza, and I abhor the biden administration's support of (and Harris' seeming continued support of) the genocide.
  • My understanding is that Trump is just as, if not more supportive of the genocide in Gaza, and on top of this has his sights on doing some truly terrible things in the US re: minorities, trans rights, etc

So with that context, my question is thus: It seems clear that Trump wouldn't change anything about the genocide in Gaza, and that he would bring more evil than the current status quo. So if you're an american voter, you obviously can't let Trump get in. But, Harris is gross to vote for as well, even if its a "lesser of the two evils" thing. What do you do? As far as I understand its basically one or the other, you dont really have any third party to vote for right?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (11 children)

It's more of a difference in practical values. At what point does the "lesser evil" itself become intolerable evil? Some people insist that you should vote for Hitler over 101% Hitler, that there is no intolerable level as long as there is a miniscule difference. Others have firm red lines in the sand, like genocide, where they advocate for abandoning them and pushing as hard as you can, even advocating for moves outside the electoral system like revolution.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

He hopes that Trump, on the other hand, uses his business acumen to bring down the cost of the products he sells in his store, many of which are imported from overseas. “Trump is not perfect, but we have no choice,” he says.

Hashim’s other major concern is Gaza, where more than 42,000 people have been killed by Israeli attacks. “The No 1 reason [to not vote for Harris] is that she is supporting Israel 100%,” he said.

I don't understand how someone this stupid is able to run a successful business. The high price of goods now is completely due to republican policies that have taken the brakes off of corporate price gouging and Trump has stated that not only is he 100% supportive of Israel but he will happily supercharge their genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza.

Also, the naivety that Trimp won't eventually turn on him:

First, they came for the Haitians...

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

Not just in Michigan ;)

[–] graeghos_714@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Both parties are beholden to Israel and the power of AIPAC

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Other way around. Both parties support Israel because Israel helps secure the Petro-Dollar, by which the US dominates the Global South with predatory IMF loans.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago

And it's the cork on land migration out of Africa into West Asia and eventually Europe.

And it's strategically important for the Red Sea trade route connecting Asia to the Mediterranean (although they're having a little trouble with this one lol)

And it's the laboratory for surveillance and detainment and border walls, where they can live test technology and strategies that get exported to prisons and borders and cities around the West.

And it's a place for antisemitic governments to send all their Jewish citizens.

And, of course, there's a large apocalyptic cult of Christians that believe we need to immanentize the eschaton so Jesus can return.

Israel serves so many functions!

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