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Marvel wikia retcons its first appearance as xmen#101, but phoenix force isn't in this issue, phoenix is. At some point between its publication and now the story must've changed to involve a cosmic god, but I wonder if before then phoenix's origin was intended to be an extreme version of fantastic 4's origin beyond just an homage.

I just started reading xmen#125 and once again in a flashback this is how the event is described:

Her body was consumed by the intense radiation. But her mind refused to die. Driven by her love for Scott Summers, she achieved her full potential as a psi --becoming, briefly, an entity of pure thought-- before finally reforming as Phoenix.

So when does phenix force actually bocme a thing? Were there any other out of universe (as I'll reach the in universe ones eventually) explanations of the phoenix's power before then? Shouldn't the wiki at least mention if a part of an article is a retcon?

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hey just a heads up, this community does welcome this sort of discussion about comic books, but it's mostly about comic strips and webcomics. Not trying to dissuade you from posting here, but I did want to let you know about !comicbooks@lemmy.world which while smaller may be a better source of information regarding comic books specifically. And I don't want this to sound as if I'm looking down on this comm or webcomics/strips, I love them that's why I'm on both comms!

Unfortunately I don't get into the big two myself at all, my big two are Dark Horse and Image lol, so I can't answer your actual question. But I bet someone there can!

[–] Lojcs@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

No prob! I'm also trying to help grow comicbooks lol so there's that too!

[–] BlueSquid0741@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 week ago

There’s no mention of Phoenix before then. As with most of Marvel and DCs comic universe history, it’s almost all retcon at this point.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My reply from Comic Books in case anyone else is interested:

As with any good comics story, it's complicated. :)

Jean crashes into the bay and emerges as Phoenix in X-Men #101

The cosmic threat of Phoenix is explored up until X-Men #108.

Then you have Dark Phoenix from #129 to #138.

But the idea of Jean and Phoenix as separate entities was a retcon from much, much later, starting in Avengers #263 when a strange pod is discovered at the bottom of the bay, which is then opened in Fantastic Four #286.

And that brings Jean back for the OG X-Factor #1.