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[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 166 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I appreciate the skittles reference

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is it a skittles reference or is it a reference to purple not being an actual color and thus not a part of the rainbow?

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago

and thus not a part of the rainbow?

Colour need not be on the rainbow. Colour is the human experience of colour which includes purple

Our minds don't care whether a color is pure or whether it is a mix. We see those colors.

Like the berries there are technical definitions of colour that don't mesh with the common definition

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the heck do you mean purple is not an actual colour??

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Purple, the color directly between red and blue, is a creation of your mind interpreting a band of light that triggers your red and blue sensing nerves, but no green is sensed. The actual band of light we can see goes from red to green to blue. Purple doesn't fall between those colors, meaning it wouldn't be included in a rainbow, and isn't any "pure" light you could see, since it doesn't fall on the spectrum.

Essentially, any time you see purple, you're seeing two different frequencies of light that your mind interprets as a single frequency.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What is violet at the end of the visible spectrum, then? We call the higher wavelength stuff ultraviolet, and violet looks purple to me, so I'm having trouble reconciling this stuff with what you're saying.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Violet is dark spectral blue, added as a separate color by people who wanted 7 not six colors in the spectrum

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're thinking of indigo.

Red

Orange

Yellow

Green

Blue

Violet

That's 6.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago

Perhaps it was the number I misremembered. There definitely is no violet in the spectrum

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We call it that but our eyes see the far end frequency as a colour that only very slightly activates blue sensitive cone receptors and no others. For red sensitive cones there is a slight bump in the high end frequencies also that makes it possible for them to look violet as it activates the blue sensitive and a bit of red sensitive receptors but a much purpler purple is made by combining high and low frequencies.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Normalized-spectral-sensitivity-of-retinal-rod-and-cone-cells_fig7_265155524

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

There is evidence to show that violet does actually weakly activates red cones too. This is because the violet light starts creeping up to double the frequency of the lower end of the red sensitivity, and so it can actually successfully activate it very weakly. There are other factors that can lessen or even fully negate that effect though, it's all kind of fuzzy.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Would this not disqualify any mixed color? We only have receptors for three colors, and if we're arguing that purple isn't a color because it's actually two mixed together, that should also mean colors like orange, yellow, cyan, magenta, atc are also not colors by that definition right?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

ah a similar explanation to why yellow is not an actual colour either

the silly explanation that has no effect on how we perceive, use, or think about colour. sigh why are the people responsible for those studies calling those colours not real? Why not just colours resulting from mixing other colours like the artists have done since the invention of paint?

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[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

This is 100% incorrect. Not in terms of science, but in terms of a qualifier of what a colour is. Just because a colour doesn't exist on the rainbow spectrum, doesn't mean it's not an "actual colour".

What you're referring to is the definition of colour specifically by physics. There are other professional fields and areas of science that use different qualifiers for colour. I work with color everyday and I can with certainty say that purple, pink, rust, teal, and sky blue are all colours.

Kind of like how different fields have different definitions of entropy or different cultures have different names for snow. It's all dependent on the framework you use and ignoring every other framework is wrong.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Your definition of color is based only on human perception? Is purple a color for a mantis shrimp?

Edit: I guess not in a pure sense because it's still two wavelengths of light. Perhaps a mantis shrimp can detect a totally different wavelength and sees it as "purple" or something.

Now I'm thinking about how we don't know how other humans interpret colors. Like what I see as red, you may see as blue. Ugh.

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[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

Don't let them pee on your Cheerios. Purple is a color, just like magenta, pink, cyan, brown, and all the other "not in the rainbow/ROYGBIV" colors.

Gatekeeping colors, I tell ya. Don't let 'em get you burnt sienna with rage.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe it’s indigo not purple there.

[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Correct. Initially, Newton didn't have indigo in his list for the visible spectrum, but he wanted seven colors instead of six because it matched up with the number of notes in music (and because he liked the number). So at some point there was discussion of removing indigo entirely because it's kinda just a shade between blue and violet that the human eye just isn't as good at distinguishing compared to the other colors. But the neat thing is that what people back in Newton's time called blue and indigo is more akin to what we today call cyan and blue (they know this by looking at his labeled drawings of the light scattered by prisims). Now the spectral colors are: red, orange, yellow, green, cyan, blue, and violet.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

This feels like a case where botanical science should just have picked a different name. If you invalidate everything people think of as a berry and then tell them a dozen things that are clearly not berries are, in fact, berries, you're just making the word berry meaningless.

Berry means a tiny, usually sweet, fruit-like growth from a plant. The kind that is usually picked in bunches. The kind that you use to make smoothies. That's a berry.

Botany did us all a disservice by choosing the word "berry" to mean "a specific thing which invalidates everything you think is a berry." Just call that plant structure something in Latin, ffs.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well, cooking terms and botany terms are not the same. Any non reproductive part of a plant is vegetable. But in cooking we have a completely different idea of what vegetables are.

This really doesn't matter because most people are not botanists and those who are probably know the terms. The only people that care are quirky internet people with debates about weather or not potato salad should be considered a cake or something.

[–] Allero 3 points 1 week ago

"Weather" is a nice ultimate touch

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did. It's Baca. Which means berry. Or maybe cow. Naming stuff is hard

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's because the scientific definition of berries has little in common with the colloquial one. That doesn't make either wrong, they are just used in different contexts

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

We really should rename botanical berries to something else.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 18 points 1 week ago

Botanical vs culinary.

[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sometimes you feel like a peanut is not a nut!

Sometimes you don't!

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A berry is a watery, often sweet fruit under 4cm

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That is the colloquial definition. The scientific definition of a berry differs a bit.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Ah! A person of rare and refined taste!

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] vale@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

wait until you hear about vegetables

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[–] TheAmishMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Pumpkin pie also rarely is made with pumpkin, it's usually squash

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Pumpkin pie is always made with squash. Occasionally, those squash are pumpkins

[–] sconniecrow@midwest.social 19 points 1 week ago

Pumpkin is a squash

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Having made pumpkin pies for decades, this is true. Pumpkin is a squash.

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[–] LodeMike 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)
[–] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Botanically speaking they are correct.

[–] LodeMike 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

With great effort, I imagine. A pumpkin is also a squash.

Pumpkins are cool

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