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[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 89 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I am not saying we shouldn't vote for Biden, but acting like we shouldn't be protesting the genocide of Palestinians is bullshit. I know Trump would be worse, but it doesn't mean we should speak out against Biden sending weapons that directly aid in the death of children.

We can't just pretend he isn't complicit in war crimes just because the other option is worse. We should be able to speak out against the atrocities.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Then I think this isn't directed towards voters like you. It's directed toward those who say you shouldn't vote for Biden as a protest.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I am not sure this is effective against those voters. If anything it's shaming, at best, which causes people to dig their heels in. Addressing those voters as petulant children is not the way to bring them on board.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Well of course. It's directed towards them but just like almost everything on social media is meant to make those who agree feel better.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But the point isn't to convince the voters who are being shamed, but to lessen the reach of their talking points to undecided or on-the-fence voters by pointing out the absurdity of the talking points being pushed.

If some clown is out there, trying to convince everyone clown makeup is the new style, the goal of mocking the clown is not to get the clown to take off their makeup, it's to remind everyone that clown makeup being 'the new style' is fucking absurd no matter how many times or how loudly it's repeated, and will make you look like a goddamn clown.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The comic is highly uncritical of any of the levers of power. In fact it entirely omits any imagery pertaining to politicians or legislators or any political party. So the only people it is directed at are those protesting the genocide in Gaza as though it came at the expense of other issues, while giving those in power who have actually ignored or even fought those issues a complete fucking pass.

Like it doesn't even mention Biden or any sort of strategy or demands the protestors might have, even. Just shames people for protesting a genocide.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

The implication is clear, the issues are all matters of voting including "save democracy". It's the statue of Liberty, a clear symbol of American democracy. It is clearly directed squarely at people saying protest by not voting for Biden.

I get the gravity of the situation, but Trump's side has repeatedly made it clear they would go harder on Gaza.

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At least Biden allows the protests to happen. Under Trump, the first protest would be the last as he would immediately mobilize the National Guard and authorize the use of lethal force to suppress it.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

As opposed to the police currently beating the shit out of protestors. I understand it would be worse under trump, but that's a really low fucking bar. We should be asking for better, not settling for the regime which is only maiming protestors instead of killing them.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is he, though? I know the president isn't directing this stuff directly, but the harshest crackdowns have been in cities run by democrats, in democratically run states. As the leader of the party he could've told local administrators to respect free speech rights of protestors.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You know what? I don't know he isn't directing this stuff directly. All the crackdowns happened at the same time in all those Democratically controlled cities, almost like it was coordinated and that someone at the top ordered it.

But maybe it's just a coincidence. 🤷‍♀️

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 0 points 5 months ago

I was trying to be charitable to Biden, but yeah, the whole thing of 'Trump would've sent the national guard instead' thing isn't really functionally different.

On the other hand, there's examples of administrators engaging the protestors and giving concessions up to a point where they voluntarily cleaned up their encampments.