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Does talking to a carnist make you feel like you're witnessing a group delusion? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 months ago by BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world to c/vegan@lemmy.ml

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I was thinking about this; I know it's hard to change from what you always have known and experienced as normal, so it's not easy to transition out of animal products, but the carnists who show up here to argue with us literally seem crazy to me; their one constant answer is always it's ok to murder and torture animals, and they can never give a good reason why.

It was a huge change for me. But now that I've made it, I cannot believe their endless faulty logic they cling so desperately to for NO reason.

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[–] pinchcramp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I love this. I've never thought about what my trajectory would have looked like, if I had been shamed in person.

Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure shame is really the emotion that I was feeling before going vegan. I think having to face the reality of my actions probably elicited guilt rather than shame, because there was no social aspect to it (I don't even know who wrote the sentence in the first place).

I think shame might be more effective for behavior change when it comes from one's social context. There were times when I was younger, I wouldn't mention I was vegan around coworkers, because I was ashamed of what they might have thought (yes, I've eaten vegetarian meals after becoming vegan).

On that token, I would say shame might only "work" in social settings, where the majority is vegan already. But that would probably not make someone believe in animal rights. Rather it might influence a person's actions while in that setting.

Thank you for your well thought out reply. You've changed by mind 😄

Btw, I'm sorry to hear that you experienced a lot of shame in your childhood. I hope your doing better nowadays.

[–] streetfestival@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Interesting reflections! Great chatting with you :)