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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I love how you're carefully avoiding the Abilene effect and how it could lose the election in even strong states.

Yes, lose. Because

  • it's a binary choice
  • non-participation benefits the crueler conservatives
  • everyone votes in isolation while cognizant of others and assuming their intent

And even if we declare the two viable options - note I said viable there - to be guaranteed as equally detrimental for Gaza when we all know it's not, it simplifies the equation. If we cannot appreciably affect the outcome in our election choice we move to the choice which has the most potential for effect after the election. CLEARLY

And that's the programme. It's been explained so many fucking times that I'm not sure how "but her emails" you need to be not to get it.

This is as clear the nose you sever to spite your face, and it's truly sad to see such cognitive dissonance in someone not voting conservative out of greed or gambler's mindset.

Try to clue in before voting, okay?

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

it’s a binary choice

its not, as evidenced by the fact there are 5 options, now as we both obviously know FPTP is a horrible system and leads to a collapse of viable parties, but even in that situation you have 3 options. A,B, Neither. and I'm nethier. neither kamala nor trump have policies that i support. and trump can't impact the larger scheme of things i care about my local government prevents that.

non-participation benefits the crueler conservatives

no its a neutral stance, and you're upset that people dont care about your prefered candidate because she doesn't bring anything to the table that my state doesn't already have. if i lived in texas/florida the equation would be different but i don't and harris will easily win in my state.

And that’s the programme. It’s been explained so many fucking times that I’m not sure how “but her emails” you need to be not to get it.

but you don't get it. harris doesn't bring anything to the table. if i was an arab in michigan right now i'd be looking at her ticket and going:

  • nothing to help with inflation.
  • nothing to help with labor rights.
  • nothing to help with corporate corruption (see above two issues).
  • and shes literally willing to support killing my family and friends in the middle east.

If voting 3rd candidate gets that person to the poll booth and they vote 3rd party/blank/etc and down ticket dems vs not showing up at all. I take that as a win. Its not our fault harris, the alleged law and order candidate, wouldn't commit to enforcing the law on arms sales. if the zionists have a problem with that, well thats on them, maybe you should bitch about them being intransigent about fucking genocide.

Try to clue in before voting, okay?

already voted mate, maybe get a clue in the future on the entire system before opening your mouth. you're position only is rational by assuming there is only one office on the ballot. sadly harris didn't turn it around in time to win my vote. but thats her fault not mine. I have a laundry list of issues that if she ticket any of them personally I would have voted for her. she didn't. not my fault. genocide was just one of the ones where the ask was so small it should have been a no brainer. If the majority of the zionists are willing to support trump if harris won't sell israel weapons I don't particular care and think you should save your ire for them not me.

I'm not preventing harris from not being genocidal thats on her, I'm not stopping zionists from recognizing that israel's behavior is unconscionable, thats on them. If harris loses because of israel's behavior feel free to bitch at those voters they're the ones who caused the loss by not supporting their brothers and sisters of another faith from being subject to a genocidal war.

I'm not the one preventing us changing our voting system to ranked choice. that's on the DNC/GOP. Hell I've canvased and gathered signatures for the damn thing in my state what have you fucking done to kill the spoiler effect?

I'm simply not going to give my vote to a candidate who won't commit to supporting labor and won't commit to not committing a genocide; especially when it won't change the outcome in any manner.

Abilene effect

also what makes you think we're part of the same group? This simply doesn't apply.

edit: changed jews -> zionists, because its not the jews in america causing this problem.