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[–] NicestDicerest@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (35 children)

Hello.

I'm a german citizen and i feel obliged to educate you on this topic. I still see the remnants and aftermath of the second world war every single day, living in this history rich country.

The holocaust was ordered in the last few years of the second world war, since it was good knowledge that germany would be loosing amongst german officers. That means approximately 6 mio. People have been killed in around 3.5 years (Yes of course people also died earlier on, but let's keep it easy). Or equal to: 40.000 people Per Day. So imagine your stadium, gone, every 24 hours. For around 3.5 years.

But thats not it. Those people got tortured, they got used for horrific "scientific" experiments, there were surgery's held on those people without any kind of painkiller (excuse me English is not my first language).

They were treated less than animals. They had to work in the factories for Hitlers war effort and did horrific jobs, often times loosing limbs. They were extremely malnutritioned, dehydrated, and kept awake forcefully by beeing dumped full of drugs like cocaine and crack. Many times, actually most of the times, they died from exhaustion. If anything was out of the ordinary or they seemed unfit for work, they got used for experiments and if they survived that, killed.

They sometimes stayed for years in those camps.

But the crazy thing about this is. It depends on how you count. In the second world war there were around 12-18mio. Deaths. So depending on who you ask, and what counts for you as a holocaust, for example being forcefully drafted into a military as say a 14 year old and told to run into machine gun fire, you could be closer to around 2 stadiums, per day.

Yes. A stadium full is mass murder, but its not a holocaust. And statements like these will make you hard to believe for many people. I know what you are trying to say. Its a lot a a lot a lot a lot of people. Yes. But if you compare it to the holocaust, thats something whole different.

[–] cjk@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (20 children)

This.

Additionally, the nazis built infrastructure (trains, KZs, ...) just to kill Jews. They optimized it to maximize the amount of Jews to bring into KZs, they built the infamous gas showers and gas chambers to be able to kill more people more efficiently.

They industrialized genocide.

While there were many cruel mass murders, this industrialization thing makes it unique so far.

Greetings from a fellow German.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I had a relationship with a German some years ago. I was told that there was some kind of collective punishment (my words) still going on because of WW2. That Germany still felt responsible, and pushed that responsibility onto the next generation, a generation with no relation to WW2 other than being born in Germany.

Why can't the older generation let the next generation move on without inheriting their burden?

[–] NicestDicerest@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It is not "pushed onto us". Its important to remember what happend in order to tell the signs and stop it from happening ever again. The narrative of "We are not responsible for it anymore and shouldn't feel any guilt" is a narrative mostly used by german right-wing conservatists trying to erase this part of our history out of the books and education.

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