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Thank you!

I don't want to call anyone out individually. But I have come across accounts with 7-8k comments in the span of a few months. I don't really think it's worth reporting them, and don't have the time or energy to research and block them individually, I'd just rather have them automatically muted on my end via a tool or plugin.

I assumed this would be something I'd have to program myself, just wasn't sure if it was clearly not possible or practical for one reason or another.

It's not obscure, but, for me, Wikipedia is the ultimate example of the old internet that still persists today.

Free to use, no account required, ad free, non-corporate, multilingual, heavily biased toward text, simple and utilitarian design. Hyperlinks concatenate relevant pieces of information, which serve as the means to navigate the site. The code is very simple (seriously, view the page source of a wikipiedia article). It's based on the human desire to learn and share knowledge with others, and has remained resilient to corruption by commercial interests that pervert that desire for monetary gain. It's a beautiful thing.

It would be nice if the current Election Interference Commission was initiated 7 years ago, after the PM was first briefed on election interference. Instead they sat on numerous subsequent briefings, and allowed 2 federal elections to take place (one of which they themselves called) where the issue was unresolved, and it remains unresolved today.

What could they have done differently? I don't know, I'm not an elected policymaker. All I see is the result, where, there's this ominous list of compromised parliamentarians that, from the outside, it doesn't seem like there is anything being done about. A provably compromised MP is still sitting in the House. There doesn't appear to be any consequence or even disincentive for foreign nations to interfere in Canadian politics. A Canadian citizen was murdered on Canadian soil by the Indian government, and all it has resulted in are meek discussions and shuffling around of ambassadors. This is a very bad situation for Canadian sovereignty.

The solutions might not be straightforward, but we should be demanding that our government do better. It's not a partisan thing.

So these are two different things right? Election interference is one thing, but MPs being compromised by a foreign government is another different thing.

They're not always different. The Han Dong case is an example where they're intertwined. We know for a fact that Han Dong's nomination for Liberal candidate in the safe Liberal riding of Don Valley North was influenced by Chinese government pressure on Canadian citizens. It doesn't properly fall into Elections Canada's purview. The Liberals only ejected him from their party once it became publicly known that his candidacy was influenced by China. Somehow, he's still a sitting MP.

I don't think it should be left up to the leader of the party to make a call on what to do. Liberals w/ Han Dong (and possibly others, we don't know), and Conservatives, with their leader not even being briefed. There needs to be some other system or mechanism to address foreign compromise that doesn't rely on the whim of party leaders who have proven that they'll choose to deal or not deal with interference issues depending on how it might benefit or harm their party.

If RCMP investigations get bound up, and information sealed away for instances of interference that ultimately don't end up being criminal (like in Han Dong's case), something should still be done to remove them from Parliament, or censure / warn them, as the circumstance dictates. It seems to me that the secrecy of active investigations functionally acts to shield foreign influence operations from being exposed and properly responded to.

I know what you mean when you say that the government shouldn't be relied on to investigate itself. At the same time, I think they are the only body right now that can put effective mechanisms in place to deal with this issue. The fact that neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives are trustworthy enough to do this, is neither here nor there. Government should be doing something, and a responsible government that worked for the people would have started 7 years ago.

My hope is that the Election Interference Commission provides sound recommendations that are actionable before the next federal election. However, we're in a situation where the next federal election could be any day now. This is all happening too late, and I can't see how that's anybody but the Liberals' fault.

Two elections have passed since the PM was briefed on election interference, and he knew about the issue for years before Poilievre was leader of the CPC. The fact that they're talking about Poilievre at all seems to me to be an abdication of responsibility.

Hours of logjammed question periods of Poilievre saying "release the names" and Liberals saying "get the clearance". Liberals are framing the issue around Poilievre's obstinance, in the house, and now in testimony to the Foreign Interference Commission. It's not honest.

I agree. Poilievre's choice to not be cleared, like many of his other choices and positions, is asinine and idiotic.

The Liberal talking point of, "if only Poilievre would get the clearance, we could get to work on fixing this" is also asinine.

It's worth remembering that the CSIS-briefed, PM-known issue of election interference predates Poilievre by 5 years, and a span of 2 federal elections, one of which the Liberals enjoyed a majority government. The Liberals are being insincere when they throw their hands up and say there's nothing they can do because Poilievre won't do something he's made clear he won't do. Trudeau and the Liberals have been happy to sit on their hands on this issue, for years, and it has left parliament vulnerable to foreign influence. That's uniquely Trudeau and the Liberals' fault, and they ought to be taken to task for that. It's a huge deal.

Dear downvoter in the thread: just testing something out here-

Parliamentarians who are wittingly working with foreign powers to interfere in Canadian politics, should be expelled from parliament.

Your thoughts?

Out of curiosity, and if you don't mind sharing, do you think the Liberals have done a good job of dealing with election interference issues?

I think a responsible government would be having an open conversation about it, getting consensus from the other parties, and doing something, rather than nothing. That conversation should have started 7 years ago, when the PM was first briefed on election interference. A responsible government wouldn't have tried to minimize or bury the issue.

We've had two federal elections since the PM was first briefed on interference, and are about to have another without a clear plan for how to deal with compromised parliamentarians. As a citizen, I don't find that acceptable.

The line that gets trotted out is that interference "didn't change the outcome of the election" in 2019 and 2021. That is absolutely not a satisfactory threshold for action to be taken. Nobody is talking about how the threshold should be much, much lower. If the current government isn't making an attempt at defining that threshold in an ethical and non-partisan way, that's their failure.

To your question, I think egregious examples of foreign compromise should absolutely be criminalized, and handled by the judicial branch. But the legislative branch needs to be empowered to act swiftly to prevent compromised parliamentarians from operating in Ottawa unhindered.