OpenStars

One of my sentences there was a hypothetical written as if that were the case yes, but I did note that you were not from there, and the rest pertains to people trying to communicate with communities on that instance. Anyway, do whatever you want - I tried to offer an interesting counterexample but I'm not going to try to brow-beat you with anything. This isn't Reddit - we can leave those modes behind us, if we want.

I thought I was left-wing myself, then realized that I may as well be a right-wing nut compared to global standards!:-D

But it takes time for people to learn and change. Mainstream people in the USA may still have valuable contributions to make here, like funny cartoons for us all to laugh at, and thus I decry how they are pushed away due to the extremist content on the Fediverse.

After watching Innuendo Studios' The Alt Right Playbook, I just cannot listen to hexbears anymore. Those attempts to bully people in just about every conversation with "tactics" other than relying on the logical truths of the issues themselves just really turns me away.

Be careful - your circumstances surely differ from mine, with like your family and job and such - but I note that they are far more likely to change you than the reverse. It's just how that works.

!newtolemmy@lemmy.ca! I wish a lot more posts would go there, but sadly it is still the most recent one after all this time.

And then ultimately math, which is somehow both the ultimate unreality, yet simultaneously the only thing that is real.

This post is so yesterday's news.

Today it would be Dwayne the Mott Johnson.

Ftfy! 😜

You are a treasure for the Fediverse to have. You allowed yourself to get triggered later on, but this comment right here is pure gold! 🪙

While on the other hand, authoritians always "know better" than the people underneath them. Even - nay, especially - when they do not.

I mean... por que no los dos?! :-P

Like, if you are going to start literally executing landlords, then that's one thing, but otherwise it's just a pure fantasy, imho, divorced from the harsher realities of existence. i.e. it's childish, as you've noted elsewhere, which is fine except how it is exported to the entire Fediverse without really a way to fucking turn it off.

Though I've found two: lemmy.cafe and dubvee.org both have fully defederated from lemmy.ml. Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks all each have their own approaches as well.

Thanks for mentioning it - subbed!:-)

If you search on hexbear.net for the keyword (de)federation you should find several occurrences of hexbear users saying that about their own instance.

I think 0.19.6 is when communities will be allowed to mark themselves as "local-only", and I believe that ChapoTrapHouse, the_dunk_tank and some others will remove themselves at that time. Thereby making the experience opt-in rather than opt-out.

The main problem though is that the users, once incubated inside the echo chamber, will come out into the wider Fediverse with the precise same style, or even if dialed back 10-fold, still extremely aggressive. We already see numerous examples of people who after hexbear.net was defederated, switched to their (possibly already existing) lemmy.ml accounts and continued as they always had. For these people, no (defederation) means yes (another opportunity to dunk, from a different account). And if people started defederating Lemmy.ml more commonly, then they would surely migrate still further, to possibly lemmy.world or Lemm.ee that is extremely permissive and does not defederate from practically anything including lemmygrad.ml.

Then again, we know that we cannot control others - only ourselves. And also the only thing required for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing, so though it would take constant vigilance, making the experiences of new people joining the Fediverse is either something that we decide as a community to make better... or we don't, and accept that we are steadily losing people over time and with little possibility to reverse that trend, until and unless Reddit finally kills of old-reddit, but quite frankly even then. Not everyone is a scientist on mander.xyz or Arch Linux user btw anywhere else - and fully 100% of the people who I have told Lemmy about irl not only turn away in disgust at the behaviors and politically extremist content that is presented here, but furthermore admonish me for even mentioning it to them. We who curate such things tend to forget what it is like to be a newcomer, and see everything fresh all at once, but not know how to curate the experience. i.e. I don't think Lemmy will ever become "mainstream" as a result, especially not within the USA. Which a lot of people here don't seem to care about, but it does make me worry about keeping what little content stream we have here going... Though Mbin, Piefed, and Sublinks might, depending on how they handle such matters differently from the Lemmy instances.

Pasting from another comment here:

it is an issue that everyone commenting on every post across every community on that whole entire instance must essentially conform to all of their ideals - or else be banned from all of those communities, not merely the one with the “offensive” statement. You cannot say anything truthful about Russia, China, Ukraine, Uyghurs, Taiwan, Israel, Palestine, Gaza, etc. (if the admins disagree with what you said)

Imagine if we were on Reddit and could not say “fuck spez”, or we were on Linux but for some reason were still forbidden to say “I prefer not to use Windows today, so thank you but no thanks”. Those communities on Lemmy.ml are held hostage to people if not agreeing then at least going along with whatever party line BS that the admins want to uphold. Moreover, at any time they could add whatever their wanted to that list.

So it's not about politics, per se, but their decision to become the arbiters of "truth(iness)" about everything across any community on their entire instance.

Do whatever you want, but I hope it helped for me to explain that.

They have said things like they ban "agitators" and "misinformation". They do not provide a listing of what those things are. I recall one story from someone who has actual Uyghur family members living with them and they were describing the genocidal practices that they escaped from - BAM, banned.

Facts are political these days, I suppose. Most people don't get to choose which set of facts they have to live out, day by day.

But obviously the admins are not insane - from their POV, they are doing the rational thing, of protecting their userbase from "misinformation". Well, keep your ears open I suppose, and you'll learn more. Hopefully you don't get banned yourself as a result, but you may want to have a backup plan just in case.