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The United States federal government allocates a staggering $38 billion annually to prop up the meat and dairy industries. These subsidies significantly reduce the price of meat products, including hamburgers. Research from 2015 reveals that these subsidies slash the price of a pound of hamburger meat from $30 to the $5 we see today

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[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 56 points 6 months ago

I oppose beef subsidies, but the unsubsidized price seems entirely fabricated. How can $38 billion across 80 billion pounds of meat and 25 billion gallons of milk make hamburger $25 cheaper per pound?

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Farm subsidies are a thing in general. Is there a comparison to subsidies for crops? Not vegan but I support cutting beef & dairy subsidies for sure.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You don't want to even start to look into subsidies for things like grain and corn. The subsidies for those are higher than the beef and dairy industry.

[–] Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago

True, but they also subsidize the beef and dairy industry. Cattle are fed not only the grain, but the stalks. Feed use ... typically accounts for about 40 percent of total domestic corn use.

So the cattle subsidies you see quoted for beef and dairy are usually an underestimate.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But those don't kill us and our planet

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you know how much nitrogen fertilizer corn needs? It is one of the heaviest users of petrochemical fertilizer.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

More overall to feed it to cattle since that will always have us growing more plants than we would otherwise.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

Let's ignore the absolute devastation to our ecosystem for the untold millions of acres of monoculture

[–] Vegoon@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

For the EU it is 82% of the subsidies that go the animal industry: https://phys.org/news/2024-04-eu-farming-subsidies-emissions-intensive.html

[–] JohnSwanFromTheLough@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hamburger meat 😂 Why would they not call it ground beef?

[–] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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The True Cost of a Hamburger: Unveiling Hidden Subsidies

Hamburgers, those quintessential fast-food delights, have become a staple in many diets around the world. But what if I told you that the price you pay for that juicy patty doesn’t reflect its true cost? Buckle up as we explore why a pound of hamburger meat could cost a whopping $30 without taxpayer subsidies. The Subsidization Game

The United States federal government allocates a staggering $38 billion annually to prop up the meat and dairy industries. These subsidies significantly reduce the price of meat products, including hamburgers. Research from 2015 reveals that these subsidies slash the price of a pound of hamburger meat from $30 to the $5 we see today

However, here’s the catch: subsidies merely lower the market price of meat. They don’t account for the total cost of meat production. Instead, they shift part of these costs onto non-meat consumers. In a truly free market, consumers should bear the full costs of production. But with subsidized meat, those who neither consume meat nor benefit from its production end up footing part of the bill. Environmental Impact

Beyond economics, let’s consider the environmental toll. Industrialized agriculture, including meat production, plays a significant role in climate change and resource depletion. Here’s how:

Greenhouse Gas Emissions: Agricultural land use contributes to 13% of man-made greenhouse gas emissions. Half of these emissions stem from livestock production. Going vegan would significantly reduce this impact
Amazon Rainforest Destruction: Meat subsidies inadvertently incentivize the destruction of the Amazon rainforest. Brazil, a major beef producer, received substantial government investments in the beef industry. Unfortunately, this led to illegal rainforest burning to make room for cattle ranching, endangering thousands of species

Why Beans are the Best Protein in the World:

Beans, those humble legumes, hold a secret superpower: they’re super sustainable! Let’s dive into why beans are the unsung heroes of the protein world:

Climate Champion:

Meat production contributes to 15% of global greenhouse gas emissions. In contrast, beans emit 90% less harmful greenhouse gases per 100 grams of protein compared to beef.
Beans even benefit the environment by converting atmospheric nitrogen into usable soil nutrients. They’re like tiny nitrogen-fixing wizards!

Land Saver:

Livestock grazing consumes a whopping 26% of the world’s terrestrial surface. Cattle require 20 times more land per unit of protein than beans.
Imagine if we swapped beef for beans: over 40% of US cropland would be freed up! That’s a green revolution waiting to happen.

Soil Health:

Even after harvest, beans leave some nitrogen in the soil. This boosts soil quality and reduces the need for excess fertilizers.
Rotating beans with other crops enhances future yields and keeps diseases at bay. It’s like a natural soil spa day.

Water Warrior:

Producing a kilogram of beef guzzles 43 times more water than beans. Bean cultivation requires fewer fertilizers, preserving water quality.
Beans sip water like eco-conscious tea drinkers.

Biodiversity Booster:

Beans promote biodiversity by fixing nitrogen in the ground. They’re like the life coaches of ecosystems.
Plus, they’re a crucial component of natural functioning ecosystems.

Why Going Vegan Is Best

Now, let’s shift gears and explore why embracing a vegan lifestyle is not only better for the planet but also for our health:

Heart Health: Research involving 48,000 people over 18 years found that vegans and vegetarians have a lower risk of heart disease compared to meat-eaters. However, they do face a slightly higher risk of stroke due to potential vitamin B12 deficiency. But fear not — nutritional yeast or fortified foods can easily provide this essential vitamin
Reduced Environmental Footprint: Going vegan significantly shrinks our environmental impact. It conserves water, reduces deforestation, and minimizes greenhouse gas emissions. It’s like a green superhero cape for your plate!
Healthier Diet: A well-planned vegan diet is rich in fiber, vitamins, and minerals. It allows room for health-promoting options like whole grains, fruits, nuts, seeds, and vegetables. Plus, it’s kinder to animals and supports biodiversity.

So, next time you sink your teeth into a burger, remember that its true cost extends beyond the price tag. And perhaps consider swapping that beef patty for a plant-based alternative — it’s not just good for your health but also for the planet.

They wrote this seemingly on the back of 2015 subsidy research that they link to but instead it's a different article by the BBC that has no information about these subsidies. So it's not clear what the article is predicated on. Though some good points are made, I like to see more of the data presented in articles like this.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago

Sounds like the same math that business owners used when they said the California $20 minimum wage for fast food workers would drive them out of business.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I find that very hard to believe. I live in New Zealand where there are no subsidies on beef and a pound - roughly 500grams - of minced beef would cost you under NZ $10 - less than $6 US. $30 US sounds utterly unbelievable

[–] theHRguy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

new zealand is much much different, they have almost no factory farms, this is not a global study, it was specifically the usa, thanks for the comment though

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

The point seems to have gone over your head. NZ is a smaller, unsubsidised, more expensive market than the US and ground beef doesn't cost anywhere near the $30 US per pound you are claiming.

[–] theHRguy@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ground beef prices are lower in the USA compared to New Zealand due to government subsidies for grain production, which makes it cheaper for American cattle to be grain-fed. In contrast, New Zealand has eliminated agricultural subsidies, so their cattle are primarily grass-fed[3].

Specifically:

  • In the USA, grain farmers receive heavy government subsidies, artificially driving down grain prices. This makes it economical for large cattle operations to feed grain to their animals[2].

  • New Zealand is an island nation, so it is not feasible to ship in large amounts of grain to feed cattle. It makes more economic sense for them to raise cattle on grass[2].

  • The USA's indirect farm support programs, like buybacks and checkoffs, aim to boost demand for meat, thereby raising its price. However, these subsidies only slightly lower grain costs[3].

  • Nations that have eliminated farm subsidies, like New Zealand, have not seen rising meat prices or declines in meat consumption after removing subsidies[3].

So in summary, while both countries produce grass-fed beef, the availability of cheap grain through subsidies allows American producers to offer ground beef at lower prices compared to New Zealand's grass-fed beef, which lacks the same level of government support[1][2][3].

Citations: [1] http://newzealmeats.com/blog/nz-grass-fed-beef-high-quality/ [2] https://www.folsompointnutrition.com/blog/new-zealand-argentinian-and-american-liver-supplements-what-are-the-differences [3] https://faunalytics.org/why-is-meat-so-cheap/ [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/omxum2/why_red_meat_is_getting_more_expensive/ [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_New_Zealand

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes I agree. And that underlines the point I was making in my post : $30 per pound is BS

[–] lqdrchrd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I had no idea it was that bad, thanks for sharing. Do you have a way of viewing the full article without signing up for an account?

[–] Hotmailer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Right, why is that not the case in other countries? If this were true, most of the world would be vegetarian

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

lol @ the downvotes, these are literal facts..