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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] JohannaChittarra@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Give blockers to all the kids so they have equal playing field

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only reason why anyone cares is because everyone thinks their little Johnny is going to get a sports scholarship, and somehow a trans athlete is taking that away from them. It's yet again another false zero sum situation, where we have yet again pitted groups against each other instead of asking why a college athletic scholarship is the difference between succeeding and failing in this broken system.

If you took the money aspect out of all of this, it just leave only the true transphobes. Like, does anyone get pissed if a trans person gets a perfect score on the SATs? No. Because we all love meritocracy (supposedly). So, this is the only place where transphobia is being tolerated.

EDIT: There will always be transphobes, but I'm saying the people that are reachable (maybe), this is the stupid argument they reach for, so why not interrogate why that argument is even being treated as an argument instead of being correctly identified as just being transphobia with extra layers. Make college free

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

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[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

-cucks

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

anglo island would be proud

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Ironically cracker island doesn't have anything like this. I suspect that's mainly because school sports aren't professionalised as for-profit enterprises like the horror show in america though and would exist if that were the case.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

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[–] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

chess is lmao

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Transphobia directed at transmascs is also always mysogynist in nature. Its core concepts are toxic notions of masculinity seen as unfullfillable for AFAB individuals, the maintainance of control over AFAB bodies as reproductive units and sexual objects, and the denial of agency to AFAB individuals, all due to their assigned "female" gender. Terfs routinely claim that trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people are just "confused girls" making a mistake, the entire terf discourse around the issue hinges on the concept not to let people designated as broodmares decide what to do with their uteruses because they are too emotional and irrational to make choices for themselves. It doesn't get more mysogynist than that, which is ironic when the target of the mysogyny are men, but that's bio-essentialism for you. When you want to see how fully seperated any and all terfs have become from the feminist roots at least some of them used to have, how deeply and utterly mysogynist they have become, ask them about trans dudes.

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[–] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

And Hillary Clinton says the Democrats focus too much on trans issues. Still have no idea what the hell she's talking about. Have heard more about gay marriage than anything explicitly trans.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In LIB speak calling something "complicated" is just an excuse to take the reactionary position

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.

You don't have to though.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.

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