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    They caught us (feddit.it)
    submitted 11 months ago by TiredInsomniac@feddit.it to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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    [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 94 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    I really don't like how "consumer-friendly" means "GUI that resembles Windows" in the minds of so many people.

    [–] monkeyman512@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don't want to learn a new thing.

    [–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.

    [–] palordrolap@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

    Well, it definitely works when shifting people politically.

    Coming soon: Mockrosoft Overton Windows™

    [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 6 points 11 months ago

    Then add adverts into that ecosystem and center their program menu. Ooh! Then change their right menus! They'd love that! Or, maybe they won't, but whatever.

    [–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Windows wasn't first, Xerox was

    [–] digger@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Xerox did so much for modern computing. If only people knew.

    [–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    The company was run by morons so "Xerox" deserves being synonymous with "company run by morons". But the actual Xerox employees who invented the basic GUI deserve credit for being the great inventors they were. Unfortunately I have no fucking idea who those actual people were.

    [–] digger@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Take a look at this post. It covers some names and stories about contributions that make modern interfaces what they are today.

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    [–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago

    But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it's KDE

    [–] monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 6 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I like the terminal but don't remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That's my main issue with it. (I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any)

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    [–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I'm actually enjoying it.

    Things I like so far:

    • An actual modern email client that isn't web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.

    • Same thing for a calendar application.

    • Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.

    • Nice notes app that I don't need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.

    • Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.

    • Unix. Unix matters a lot.

    • Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.

    • Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.

    Things I hate:

    • The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I'm getting used.

    • Updates take forever, it's insane.

    • Can't easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven't figured this one out.

    • Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.

    • Can't get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.

    Honestly, it isn't as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I'm good.

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    [–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 76 points 11 months ago

    The only GUI library you need is ncurses.

    There’s no escape from ANSII escape characters!

    [–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven't seen what it replaced.

    Also friendliness doesn't require a Fisher Price interface.

    [–] TiredInsomniac@feddit.it 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Let me say that I really like "Fisher Price interface"

    [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Its called xp

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    [–] metaStatic@kbin.social 29 points 11 months ago

    I don't even see the symbols anymore

    [–] Ooops@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That's defintiely the wrong title.

    No, it's not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.

    It's Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    If you are able to use those buttons in the terminal, it wouldn't be a terminal.

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    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    How do people use Windows without CLI?

    It’s way harder to GUI-only than Linux

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    [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 22 points 11 months ago

    btop be like

    [–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Is this actually a thing?

    [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Prepare for your mind to be blown: https://github.com/charmbracelet/bubbles

    [–] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 5 points 11 months ago

    You have no idea how many scripts I'm going to build with that...

    [–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ranger

    [–] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 52 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Ranger is also incidentally the name of my dog.

    [–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

    A pupper so swell they named an OS after him!

    [–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago

    An icon

    [–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

    Tell Ranger I said hi, and that he needs a treat.

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    [–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    There's TUIFI Manager

    twin, directfb2, and gum, pytermgui too.

    edit: huh, gum and bubbles are from the same guy. But bubbles is for Go, gum for shell.

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    [–] foyrkopp@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

    Midnight Commander has been around for ages. It's a straight ripoff/homage to the original Norton Commander, a full-fledged file manager and a godsend on week-kneed machines (like old netbooks).

    [–] puppy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

    Yes. k9s comes to my mind.

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    [–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I find ASCII incredibly readable honestly. I use pixel fonts too, but I love the sharp blocky characters it's so much easier on the eyes than whatever windows or iOS has going on by default

    [–] superbirra@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    mh mh, but I'm afraid ASCII isn't what you suppose it is

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    [–] 9point6@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

    bb showed us what the terminal can really do

    [–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 9 points 11 months ago

    Speaking of a terminal displaying symbols, I still really miss slrn. I'd love a Lemmy client with that interface.

    [–] key@lemmy.keychat.org 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    500GB? Teeny drive

    [–] yum@lemmy.eco.br 21 points 11 months ago

    Man I'm just poor

    [–] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I run 128gb on my laptop lol

    [–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Wait, how? I have zero games installed on my 1TB laptop and still only have like 300GB free.

    [–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Not everyone has a 500 GB yiff collection. Some people keep their yiff in the cloud.

    [–] AlecSadler@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

    HAHAHA.

    [–] ExLisper@linux.community 28 points 11 months ago

    Did you try removing the French language pack?

    [–] olafurp@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    I want to get 2-4 TB because of torrents

    [–] guskikalola@social.vivaldi.net 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    @olafurp @AlecSadler What kind of data hoader are you?!
    I mean, if you can afford that sure, but I find it unnecesary.
    Also, how do you plan to backup that much storage? just curious about the last one, I always find it hard to backup more than 100 GB of media

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    [–] callyral@pawb.social 5 points 11 months ago

    what's wrong with a terminal displaying symbols?

    [–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Remind me of flappy bird in finder: https://eieio.games/nonsense/game-11-flappy-bird-finder/

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