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[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We hate cars so much, we've come full circle to parroting fossil fuel industry propaganda against EVs, I see.

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[–] jlow@beehaw.org 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I bet there are statistics on just how much space is wasted on cars (roads, parking space) but I don't have them handy. It will probaly pretty maddening when only considering "urban" areas but I wonder if it's more or less of 1% of the world's total landmass ...

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[–] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 12 points 11 months ago

I want public transport more than anything, but where I live there's little to none, I can't do anything about that other than voting for parties that apparently have little chance to win. What I can do is buy an electric car, sue me.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the environment

[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Road salt mentioned, day ruined.

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

also, if the West did adopt EVs en mass (hard to even imagine), all those ICE vehicles aren't just disappearing. They're getting exported to the rest of the world as cheap used cars. Nothing has been "replaced", you've just made more cars and more pollution.

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Now do bicycles, horses, and dense human populations ;-)

[–] corship@feddit.de 11 points 11 months ago

Horses - shit everywhere you look

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 11 points 11 months ago

Yes, pollution is a big problem. Not sure why so many people ignore it.

I keep it simple and use the communal traffic(bus/train) instead. I have never bought a car and don't miss it as i live near the things I need grocery store and workplace(bike 5km).

[–] arc@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Well obviously less vehicles of any kind would be a benefit. Cities designed around people with public transport options would always beat out a society where everyone has a car. I think there is more push on this in Europe than the US, where outside of the big cities public transport is virtually non-existent. Urban planning should emphasis central districts to create transport hubs where people eat / work / shop and therefore demand to make public transport. And outside of that cycle routes, footpaths etc.

But electric vehicles are still much better than ICE vehicles. Over their life time they account for 1/4 emissions (depending on how power is generated) and those emissions can be more effectively captured. And of course renewables bring the emissions down year on year. There is a direct correlation between NOx emissions and respiratory deaths so this is a good thing. Also less CO2 emissions and contribution to global warming. Also, particulates are much less - brakes are not the primary source of deceleration in an EV (regen is) so pads don't see anything like as much use as an ICE car. Some EVs are even going back to using drum brakes where the dust is basically captured inside an enclosed drum. The tyres also aren't any worse or faster wearing than ICE vehicles so in that regard it's even.

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Wait, how much environmental damage does road salt cause?

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[–] showmustgo@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Almost 80% of ocean micro plastics is just tires

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[–] Tischkante@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Neat an excuse to change nothing in a fuck cars space…

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The point is that electric cars are shit, have never been a solution to anything, and that they shouldn't be presented as one, doubly so when as a technology, public transport exists.

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[–] showmustgo@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Don't let perfect be the enemy of goodmaybe-later-kiddo

P.S. electric cars are here to save Cars, not the environment

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