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Reminds me of that Frankie Boyle bit

American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later, and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad~ boo hoo~

Americans making a movie about what Vietnam did to their soldiers is like a serial killer telling you what stopping suddenly for hitchhikers did to his clutch.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 50 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They really blew right past the part where he was bulldozing people around huh?

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 8 hours ago

uhm, sweetie we're terrorists we're not human beings

[–] RION@hexbear.net 50 points 9 hours ago

soldiers had to "run over terrorists, dead and alive, in the hundreds."

Damn, crazy you just had to do that huh. Wish there was any other option

But at least they were all faceless, mindless terrorists!

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

he died? Hell yeah the ghost of Hamas taking kills πŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺπŸ’ͺ

Edit: btw the bulldozers are remote controlled, he wasn't even driving them, he was controlling them a few hundred kilemeters away in some base in the Naqab

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 30 points 7 hours ago

That’s the most cowardly thing I’ve heard. Dude didn’t even earn his ptsd.

07 to the brave Palestinian freedom fighters who continued resisting from beyond the grave for their success. I hope this sort of thing keeps happening - I support it.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 28 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is like those Hollywood movies that always say how hard it is for the American soldiers who slaughter hundreds.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

yeah I commented above before I saw this it's the same trend as that Frankie Boyle joke

American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later, and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad~ boo hoo~

Americans making a movie about what Vietnam did to their soldiers is like a serial killer telling you what stopping suddenly for hitchhikers did to his clutch.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago

Never gets old

[–] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 38 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I hope every IOF soldier has the images of their war crimes burned into the backs of their eyelids. They don't deserve one night of sleep for the rest of their miserable lives. Lie awake, see the faces and bodies in the dark, and take your own lives, all you disgusting beasts.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 39 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This may as well be CNN interviewing a member of the einsatzgruppen about how traumatized they were to machine gun people into mass graves.

I wonder if iSSrael will bother rephrasing "the final solution to the Arab problem"

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Did you see the US statement to the UN last year where they used almost that exact phrase?

All told, we intend to do this the right way, so that we can create the right conditions for a safer, more peaceful future. And we will continue to actively engage in the hard work of direct diplomacy on the ground until we reach a final solution.

https://usun.usmission.gov/remarks-by-ambassador-linda-thomas-greenfield-at-the-un-security-council-stakeout-following-a-vote-on-the-situation-in-the-middle-east/

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking hell I had forgotten about that. You'd think people would think twice about using that phasing even if they are frothingfash and that's exactly what they want.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 2 points 48 minutes ago

At this point they are just flaunting it.

[–] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You're seeing the general plan in North Gaza right now?

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago

Yea, and I'm dreading what conclusion iSSrael will come to. Cattle cars and gas chambers might be a little on the nose even for the zionist ghouls trying to murder every single Palestinian but if they're experiencing the same kind of human breakdowns that the Nazis did I can only speculate they will start looking for a more efficient method of mass murder just like the Nazis did.

So far their answer seems to be indiscriminate bombings of Palestinians, which does have less of a psychological effect on the people doing the bombings since they are isolated from the horrors they're inflicting but just like the Nazis the Zionists might look for faster methods to achieve their goals.

[–] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 54 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Fanon right again

His superiors refused to give him sick leave, and since moreover the patient did not wish to have a psychiatrist's certificate, we tried to give him treatment "while working full time." The weaknesses of such a procedure may easily be imagined. This man knew perfectly well that his disorders were directly caused by the kind of activity that went on inside the rooms where interrogations were carried out, even though he tried to throw the responsibility totally upon "present troubles." As he could not see his way to stopping torturing people (that made nonsense to him for in that case he would have to resign) he asked me without beating about the bush to help him to go on torturing Algerian patriots without any prickings of conscience, without any behavior problems, and with complete equanimity.

[–] anarcho_blinkenist@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Fanon right again

Many such cases. I've said it many times and will never stop, The Wretched of the Earth ^(pdf^ ^DL^ ^link)^ is fundamental required reading for anyone in a colonialist or colonized country (or both, in the case of settler-colonies). It is absolutely critical for a material understanding, and Fanon being a professional doctor and psychologist as well as a Marxist gives incredibly valuable foundational insights to not only a dialectical and historical materialist analysis of the material conditions, relations, and struggles in and against colonialism, but also of the superstructural political, social, cultural, and psychological outcroppings from the colonial relation and their mutual interpenetration and cyclical reinforcement.

It is also the direct theoretical lineage of so many liberation struggles which came after, including in the US with the BPP and BLA; and so it is quite literally necessary, in general and in particular in the places which inherited the legacy of those Fanonist struggles, for one to engage with in order to not be speaking nonsense about colonialism and the colonial relations which exist, and the contradictions and struggles therein. Fanon is no lesser than what Malcolm X was to the heart of the struggle and its history and theoretical body of work.

From there the next step is reading the criticism and self-criticism and analytical adaptations from the experiences and lessons of those struggles (Huey Newton, George Jackson, Maroon Shoatz, and newer generations such as Kevin Rashid Johnson), which are also necessary because their knowledge derives from practice and its lessons better than anyone who has not this experience. As Mao wrote in On Practice:

Marxists hold that man's social practice alone is the criterion of the truth of his knowledge of the external world. What actually happens is that man's knowledge is verified only when he achieves the anticipated results in the process of social practice (material production, class struggle or scientific experiment). If a man wants to succeed in his work, that is, to achieve the anticipated results, he must bring his ideas into correspondence with the laws of the objective external world; if they do not correspond, he will fail in his practice. After he fails, he draws his lessons, corrects his ideas to make them correspond to the laws of the external world, and can thus turn failure into success; this is what is meant by "failure is the mother of success" and "a fall into the pit, a gain in your wit". The dialectical-materialist theory of knowledge places practice in the primary position, holding that human knowledge can in no way be separated from practice and repudiating all the erroneous theories which deny the importance of practice or separate knowledge from practice. Thus Lenin said, "Practice is higher than (theoretical) knowledge, for it has not only the dignity of universality, but also of immediate actuality." The Marxist philosophy of dialectical materialism has two outstanding characteristics. One is its class nature: it openly avows that dialectical materialism is in the service of the proletariat. The other is its practicality: it emphasizes the dependence of theory on practice, emphasizes that theory is based on practice and in turn serves practice. The truth of any knowledge or theory is determined not by subjective feelings, but by objective results in social practice. Only social practice can be the criterion of truth. The standpoint of practice is the primary and basic standpoint in the dialectical materialist theory of knowledge.

If one could hypothetically only read one thing about colonialism, the Wretched of the Earth would be firmly at the top of the list I give them. There is also Orientalism by Edward Said which is too invaluable for those in "the west", but is more of a broad-focused general deconstruction of the historical notions of "the west" and "the east" and such politically-charged and inherently violent concepts as "western values" (as opposed to the values of these 'others') which Fanon touches on in its specific relations and expressions in colonialism, but Said does more broadly in its superstructure and relation to its base in the roots from whence it arose and was constructed out of the dialectical relationships of the history of europe, and of imperialism and colonialism, etc. It is more of a deconstruction through historical and dialectical materialist analysis of the broader history and concepts in and out-of-from "orientalism" than acting as a direct foundational analysis of and for the specific struggles which have been carried out as the Wretched of the Earth has.

[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 40 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

"There is no such thing as Palestinian citizens."

Maybe this is just because of the weird translation, but I've seen this a lot. Rights aren't inherent to humans, they come from the state. And if Palestinians don't have a state to protect them, or if they live in a state (Israel) that doesn't want to protect them, we can just kill them all.

[–] MalarchoBidenism@hexbear.net 12 points 7 hours ago

Can't speak for this example in particular, but they definitely do believe that. That's why they think "there was never a state of Palestine" is a good argument for Zionism. The lines on the ground matter more to them than the rights of the people who lived there.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 32 points 10 hours ago

I have no sympathy for ex-IOF unless they are ex-IOF because they fragged their superior officers

[–] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 33 points 10 hours ago

Becoming vegan because you're a war criminal: that's a new one

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 31 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Every Israeli is a fascist coward

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There are roughly 12 Israeli anarchist who use themselves as human shields in some capacity (according to badempanada, I have not checked this info) so not every Israeli. However, 12/9,425,624 or 0.000127% is actually much more damning than anything. Regardless those roughly 12 Israelis are cool with me, everyone else though... shit gets complicated

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

There was the guy and photographer who got detained and interrogated by the idf, he shows up to video settlers when they’re attacking Palestinians. So a literal handful of good Israelis

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 13 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen a bunch of orthodox get beat up by IDF for protesting the war. Not sure where they are as far as direct action but wanted to give it a shout out at least.

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Oh they’re protesting the fact that they might have to fight in the war, the orthodox were previously exempt for conscription

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago

Ah I see, well give them the credit even if it doesn't save them from the pit.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 11 points 9 hours ago

their cowardice is legendary

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Evil unhuman mofos really playing the feeling bad game to western media jfc.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 41 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Israeli warcriminals, don't be cowards, shoot your hq in blaze of ~~glory~~ some measure of justice

[–] miz@hexbear.net 37 points 11 hours ago
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 36 points 11 hours ago

"in the hundreds"

Death to Israel.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 26 points 11 hours ago

entire country is zone of interest

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 27 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

his mother, Jenny Mizrahi

israeli names are always beyond parody lol

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 15 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

My first temptation was to say "JK Rowling writing a Jewish character ass name", too, but apparently Mizrahi has been a fairly common (or at least not unheard of) surname for centuries. Wikipedia seems to indicate that Mizrahi is most often a Sephardic surname β€” originally pointing to someone who arrived to Iberia from the east β€” however it seems like there are also a number of actual Mizrahim with the surname Mizrahi, interestingly, including a number of American Jews of Middle Eastern descent. The most famous person named Mizrahi appears to be Elijah Mizrachi (1455-1525), author of The Mizrachi, a very creatively titled supercommentary on Rashi's commentary on the Torah. There was apparently also an Egyptian Olympic fencer in the 1920s named Joseph "Jack" Mizrahi, who I am very curious about now.

So in hindsight, you know, I don't know if Jenny Mizrahi actually chose that name in the same way as Bibi's dad was born Mileikowsky, or if ol' Jenny was like born in Seppoland and was given a typical Anglo forename with the inherited surname Mizrahi. But you know, in any case, with that added context, "Jenny Mizrahi" seems only as silly a name as like, I dunno, Jason Costello or something.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 20 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I'll grant you it's not as good as my favorite israeli name, Yam Rothschild

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Still not as bad as Smuley, that just sounds like it could an antisemitic slur

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

saw an interview with a west bank settler named Shlomo Vile

I feel like as a Jew I'm allowed to type that out but I don't know if you are

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 5 hours ago

That's a Star Wars character name, I'm sure >.>

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 15 points 10 hours ago

Yam, short for Jams in a Can by Yamaha

[–] neroiscariot@hexbear.net 6 points 8 hours ago

PTSD so bad you get Panic at the Disco.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 15 points 10 hours ago

At least he became a good iof soldier