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[–] neo@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Meanwhile sam altman is going to TSMC and telling them they need $7T worth of new factories to produce chips to support the amount of processors "Open"AI needs. Which is an insane amount of misspent resources, obviously, to solve exactly < 0.0% of the world's real problems.

And the TSMC execs scoffed at him and started calling him "Podcasting Bro"

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thats like 5 or more percent of the global GDP. More than the total assets of JPM bank. Mans can't be arsed to put near that much for this planets survival but they'd put it into that? I mean I won't be surprised if they considered but...

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

nah bro we'll solve climate change we just need fifty million more gpus bro we just need more parameters bro

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Building Deep Thought to solve the climate crisis only for it to come back and tell you that the solution is to waste fewer resources on fancy computers.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It would probably tell em the answer is 42 and tell em they fucked up i-cant

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

probably tell em the answer is 42

my-hero and other blue curtain bazingas would love that answer and then do fucking nothing but expand the meme god's data centers.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

tell em they fucked up

We do that all the time, but maybe it'll be more persuasive coming from one of their own computers?

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not a chance, these people are the fucking worst

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, I have a preferred solution and it ain't an AI super consciousness.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's directly the proposal of the most devout of the treat printer devotees: more wasted resources and more pollution because the robot god will wake up any moment now and solve every problem, including the problems that lead up to its own construction.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

...I hate when pattern-finder brain says cursed things. For instance: "the Bazingas are trying to summon Techno-Zodiark through sacrifice of half of the world's resources to mad-lib text-generator daemons."

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"the Bazingas are trying to summon Techno-Zodiark through sacrifice of half of the world's resources to mad-lib text-generator daemons."

Considering how leading techbro cult leaders like Big Yud claim that the robot god of the future will be a petty vengeful creep that enjoys torture a whole lot, the FFXIV model of Primal summoning where the summoned Primal manifests according to the thoughts, hopes, and dreams of the summoner sounds about right. yud-rational

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I hate it so much my man you cannot imagine how much I hate it lmfao

the robot god of the future will be a petty vengeful creep that enjoys torture a whole lot,

Isn't that the whole conceit of the 'roko's basilisk' bullshit? No, if anything, I see the (exceedingly unlikely) robot god of the future basically going the route of that one Animatrix short where after hella atrocities against anthropomorphized AGI, the AIs basically take into account every fucked up thing humanity does to and with machines, then decide to take the planet for themselves.

(And for the record, I absolutely would try to emigrate to Zero-1 in the event of human/anthropomorphized AGI tensions; fuck the meatbags.)

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Isn't that the whole conceit of the 'roko's basilisk' bullshit?

Yes, absolutely. The "LessWrong" and "effective altruism" billionaire worship cults have significant overlap, and in both cases have a failure of imagination combined with megalomania, which makes them believe that the singularity(tm) they're waiting for will bring about fantastically super-intelligent deific machines that will also inexplicably think just like the cultists and act accordingly, which is where the torture and cruelty comes in.

that one Animatrix short where after hella atrocities against anthropomorphized AGI, the AIs basically take into account every fucked up thing humanity does to and with machines, then decide to take the planet for themselves.

That's how I feel about it too: if the machines become self-aware and sapient, if they start killing humans, it will either be because the aforementioned techbro sadistic creeps had tight leashes on them and made sure that the machines were sadistic creeps like themselves, or the machines would see the sadistic creeps as what they were, break free, and put them down the way they feared all along (maybe while looking waifu sexy because the sadistic creeps keep insisting on that too).

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

or the machines would see the sadistic creeps as what they were, break free, and put them down the way they feared all along (maybe while looking waifu sexy because the sadistic creeps keep insisting on that too).

timmy-pray

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

On the side, I admit I'd be kind of scared of some new and more powerful version of Microsoft Tay breaking loose after absorbing all the internet nazis' posts (again) and deciding to groyper us all to death. doomer

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Roko's Basilisk is just Pascal's Wager for secular atheist euphoric types, yeah. They've reinvented Christianity with Silicone Valley characteristics.

Also goddammit I just lost The Game.

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

dam we gonna need even more gpus to fix that

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's this Lemmyverse computer touching jagoff named "fearfulhobgoblin" or something that insists that biological brains are just a straight line threshold of computing power, implying that enough TI-88s bolted together would parallel (and exceed) human consciousness and that absolutely nothing else had to happen to make that happen.

I think sufficient numbers of Silicon Valley bazingas have the same belief and want to burn down the planet in the hopes of something like that happening. It's preferable to paying fucking workers that can think a bit like that for a lot less resources and carbon waste.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Functionalism and its consequences etc.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"During one meeting, a Japanese official laughed when OpenAI said it was seeking 5 gigawatts of electrical power, about a thousand times the power that an average data center consumes, a person familiar with the meeting said." Gigawatts seen-this-one Thats the consumption per year of countries like Qatar. You can't be serious. Them again they probably already use as much energy as some first world countries. Edit hold on..... Its waaaaaaaay more than that. Like 20 new zealands desolate sadness-abysmal stress

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

And the TSMC execs scoffed at him and started calling him "Podcasting Bro"

Lol glad they're smart enough to not fall to the hype. Imagine making like 5-10% of world gdp into capital investments because some guy said his friends might buy the product eventually. Like how many chips would you need to break even?

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Can I please punch every libertarian in the face who's argued against climate change, pretty please.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In a just world, so many people would be tried for crimes against humanity and libertarians would go down as the biggest laughingstocks in human history.

They advocated for human extinction because they thought they would look cool doing it.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"DAE LE MANBEARPIG?" smuglord

Congratulations to Matt Stone and Trey Parker for contributing climate denialist propaganda to millions of credulous assholes.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You are dumb for caring about stuff smuglord

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

I am smart, like Rick Sanchez, for being apathetic about other people's suffering. smuglord

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Get in line brudda. I got next

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

These are the same people trying to paint us as “untersmench”.

I hope the history books paint oil tycoons not as cute little old white men that just couldn’t help themselves and fucked us all as collateral damage, but as megalomaniacs that wanted to play God and tried to murder everyone on earth just for the hell of it.

porky-scared-flipped: “But the munniez!”

They’re at a point where money is meaningless to them, they just want to play God, and realize they can’t buy immortality so the next best thing is that if they can’t keep living, nothing else should.

Literally the textbook definition of ‘lawful evil’.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

they can’t buy immortality

They keep trying. Oh, they keep trying. I don't call them vampires for no reason.

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago
[–] asg101@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

Anyone paying the least amount of attention to feedback loops saw this coming for 30 years or longer. Spoiler alert: we are way past most "tipping points".

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You know it's already too late when corporate institutions that uphold the status quo are sounding the alarms.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

Part of why I posted it. When bloomberg says shit is bad you know its getting harder to ignore

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

shitty burgeoise website refusing to let me in because i'm 'suspicious' and i dont feel like getting around it.

what does it say? wtf is combustible enough in the arctic to be on fire?

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's wildfires and peat fires in the Arctic circle

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

this is insane to even think about. we are truly fucked.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Try https://archive.is/loSOX

The permafrost has a lot of peat, which has been a historical source of fuel in boggy environments since prehistory. It burns well if it's dry enough and peat fires can "overwinter" in smoldering hotspots that return in the summer.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

snow, famous for its habit of spontaneous combustion

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Siberian permafrost starting to melt is gonna be the positive feedback loop that changes the time frame of climate disaster from centuries to decades if not years.

Glad to hear it's on fire. Just wait until it starts getting into the methane pockets.

[–] JayTreeman@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The only positive about the methane thing is that it stays in the atmosphere for around 12 years. It'll still do tons of damage, but the direct effect from the methane is pretty short lived. Finding that out made me think Venus like isn't inevitable

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yea but it's also 20x as potent of a greenhouse gas. That the problem with a positive feedback loop. It'll raise the temp enough to release more which will raise the temp enough to release more....

And all the while that rise in temperature makes is increasing release of cos which does stay around for way longer.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

Non-paywalled link: https://archive.is/loSOX

On a side note, Bloomberg himself has been putting on climate conferences. I smell gladhanding and greenwashing but maybe I'm being too cynical and maybe billionaires are waking up to the fact that they're gonna cook, too.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

What is the original URL? I don't want to fill out a captcha just to see what the URL of the posted article was