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On so many different news items, threads, etc. People are the first to claim pretty much anyone who has made a mistake, or does something they disagree with deserves to die.

Like, do some people not have the capability to empathise and realise they might have been in a similar place if they were born in a different environment…

I genuinely understand, you think a politician who has lead to countless deaths, a war criminal, or a mass rapists deserves to die.

But here people say it for stuff that falls way below the bar.

A contracted logger of a rainforest (who knows if they have the money / opportunity to support their family another way). Deserves to die.

A civilian of Nazi germany of whom we know nothing about their collaboration/agreement with the regime. Deserves to die.

Some person who was a drug dealer and then served their time. Deserves to die.

Like I don’t get it? Are people not able to imagine the kind of situations that create these people, and that it’s not impossible to imagine the large majority of people in these positions if born in a different environment?

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago
[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I think there’s a part of our brains that treats these stories as fiction—in particular, the kind of folk fiction used to reinforce community mores. The strength of our reaction to such stories signals how strongly we support the standards, not necessarily what we think should be done in real life to those who violate them.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
  1. It's a lot easier to feel like you're not involved when you're behind a screen hundreds of miles away.

  2. A lot of perceived suffering in this world can make a person feel as though a lot of people do on fact deserve to die.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

We judge others more harshly than ourselves or our friends and family, it's often a tribal artifact of the environment our species grew up and evolved in through its infancy that has in part informed our acceptable behaviors as a social species who relies on groups for survival (justice, altruism, fairness, social contract, etc).

Sometimes it's hyperbole, sometimes it's incorrectly treating people different than ourselves as less than instead of different to, and sometimes someone violates common morality so abjectly that capital punishment is a popular acceptable outcome.

[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It's the one thing we all deserve, the great equalizer. That's not what you are asking, I know but still.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have to ask, is this about the TiL post regarding Soviet Labor camps? Because I saw that right after this.

[–] mecfs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Partly. But it’s been building up in me for the past few months. Like I legitimately see it every day on lemmy.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know about others, but I don't think anybody deserves to die necessarily. It is faaaaar too merciful a fate for horrible people. I believe the worst of humanity - rapists, murderers, child abusers, etc. - deserve to live long, painful, oh so horrible lives.

My choice would be to put them inside of a 3 meter cube of steel, welded shut, with only a hamster bottle for water, a hole in the bottom for waste, and a nutrient paste dispensing chute. When the prisoner eventually dies, it is bury the whole thing out in the desert to be their unmarked tomb.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Idk anyone who can't figure this out deserves to die.

/s

[–] Doburoku@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because they're a stranger. I don't know them and probably never will. Oh they did something shitty that cost someone else their life? Good, they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.

Because I don't know them and they commited something I think is evil. There's no purpose in me humanizing them. I humanize the actual people in life I interact with.

Also its impotent rage

[–] Random123@fedia.io 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thats brainless tbh. Thats the type of mindset that makes everyone a slave to their emotions because they all just react without thinking deeply/compassionately.

Its simply a lack of self control and critical thinking that leads people to lose their empathy

[–] Doburoku@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ok. Don't really care about what some random asshole online thinks I'm just explaining to OP.

I'm not changing.

[–] Random123@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

No worries bud consider it an explanation to OP to nullify yours

Well thats to be expected. Does a fish swim?

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago
  1. People say whatever on the internet and anonymous areas. Often for shock or the extremist idealism as if something was dead things would be different

  2. Your examples. Both of these are extreme differences in people's views and principles. The logger is killing and ruining someone's country for profit. Yes the individual guy needs money but he put the principal of doing something wrong aside to make money. The logger could do something else or he doesn't care. He has no empathy towards future generations or the health of species of animals. Why should someone have empathy for them.

Nazi example is easy while I am sure some people were ignorant or born into being a child of a nazi one should be resisting the horridness if you reap the benefits of your nation's success at the downfall of others of course they are going to wish you dead. To put you into a perspective of nazi haters why should they get to live a peaceful life or be forgiven or left alone even if they saw the error of their ways or to desperate to fight back when people lost their future and families because of their group.

As for the drug dealer people see the worst that comes out in people as a druggie and blame the person who keeps enabling. If the druggie could be cut off then someone's life wouldn't be ruined.

In every example you gave someone was ruining someone else's life or future. Of course people personally affect by similar circumstances aren't going to have as much empathy for these people it takes a lot of compassion, self reflection, love, and forgiveness to be able to be kind to someone who hurt you and your family. Not everyone is in that place.

  1. Every day or year we have unbalanced people entering huge amounts of hormones causing their feelings to be imbalanced and every a new person is getting hurt leading to a life where kindness is locked off for awhile maybe forever.

  2. Our culture is about retribution many people don't see proper steps to make things right or see people continue to do bad things. The easy solution is having things not exist anymore so you don't get hurt again. If you trust bad people they may hurt you. Every decision has a consequence and rarely is it fully made whole even in forgiveness. You can't give someone back their family, you can't give someone back an extinct species, you can't give back the world a stable climate. Of course people will hold hatred

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is human nature. It's the same reason you had 20 year olds sucker punching 70 year old asian women during lockdown. Cowardice and a need to lash out.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

No. It may be the nature of some subset of people. Those people should die.

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